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    Avatar photogamble
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    THE NEW WORLD OF OBEDIENT AUTOMOTANS – OR NOT

    I well suppose Robot Dunne could be copied with 10 extra hands, if one facilitated the use of a 3D printer, an artist, and a prosthetics expert, however, weight would need to be removed from somewhere else, presumably the brain, and there is the awkward issue of balance. It would not look good or be that practical, however, in a non-riding setting, it is a possible goer.

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    Glenn
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    He doesn’t seem to have many friends at the moment, so I just wanted to say…..

    I stand with Paul Struthers!

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    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    Any ex jockey who wants to work (and stay working) in the broadcast media might be well advised to get their head out of their Victorian era backside and into the 21st century.

    Just saying.

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    #1571668
    Marlingford
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    Gamble, the term LOL is over-used on the internet, but that made me LOL :-)

    #1571670
    mickeyjp
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    Just an unbelievable response from the pja. They are saying bryony may have felt bullied. She complained persistently about it. She got no joy from the weighing room colleagues,no joy from the pja and the bha just wanted her to go away. They are in total denial that their wee club has been criticised. He has been found guilty by an independent panel of sustained harassment and bullying. Which bit do they not understand. They are living in a parallel universe. Which I see in so many other areas of life. We have a prime minister who is behaving in exactly the same manner.
    I can’t see any resolution happening and the pja are doing their damndest to maintain the status quo.
    The code of conduct is a farce. Its been there since May and has been flagrantly ignored so how can anybody have any confidence it will be remotely observed now.
    Professional sportsman,especially at the highest level are in different level to others and tempers get frayed. What dunne has done is a sustained level of abuse at one person. Unacceptable on any level in any sport.
    Where the he’ll this is heading I’ve no idea but the more the weighing room and pundits dig their heels in the more angry the racing public will get. Someone needs to get a grip of this pronto. It’s just getting farcical when rancid upsets jockeys so much but calling someone an effing slut and a whore is banter. Unbelievable.

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    “calling Frost far worse was simply part of weighing room culture”.

    Know what you mean Marlingford, the way many in the weighing room think has to change; but surely not all jockeys are the same and shouldn’t be thought of as such?

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    Marlingford
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    Ginger, the culture was described as rancid, not the people. And all the evidence suggests that it is unfortunately.

    I do take your point, but it comes across incredibly badly that they all seem far more upset by this than the bullying.

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    Ruby, as usual, 100% right:

    https://www.racingpost.com/news/disciplinary-hearing/ruby-walsh-at-times-somebody-has-to-tell-someone-else-to-sit-down-and-shut-up/526492

    It will be a very tough process for her to be part of the weighing room again.

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    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Technically of course you’re right Marlingford… And I do agree it’s wrong how they’ve concentrated more on themselves than Bryony – like I’ve already said.

    However, if you were part of that weighing room wouldn’t you feel part of the culture there and therefore be thinking they’re blaming me (at least in part) and calling me / my moral values “rancid”?

    …And that may be why the comment has got jockeys backs up.

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    I suspect Bryony knew she would be further ostracised when bringing the case against Dunne. Remarkable courage from one person to fight her battle pretty much alone, and win. She has the racing public firmly on her side but that won’t do her much good between rides. It doesn’t take much imagination to visualise the stares and muttered comments she’ll be having to endure from the missing links in the changing rooms.

    The PJA should be the next lot taken to task over their draconian attitudes and inability to resolve what likely started as a fairly straightforward situation. Their shambles of a statement is taken straight from a Boris Johnson playbook.

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    Marlingford
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    Yes of course Ginger, and I have no issue with them trying to point out that there are good aspects and good people there. I am sure that is the case.

    It’s the complete lack of acknowledgement that there are serious problems that jars with me. Has a single one of them agreed Frost was bullied or condemned Dunne?

    The fact that we had their president falling over himself to emphasise what a good man Dunne was after he was found to be a bully suggests that “rancid” is a pretty accurate word.

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    clivexx
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    One of them could have easily gone off the record too

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    Avatar photoCork All Star
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    “Mick is another person I’d have expected a better response from.”

    I didn’t and was not surprised at all. Fitzgerald was on the Saturday preview show a few weeks ago and was fuming about the case even being heard. Just another old school jockey.

    #1571696
    Marlingford
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    That’s interesting CAS. I missed the show you mention.

    I had a perception of him as being somewhat of a mentor to the young jockeys nowadays, and being quite fair and level-headed.

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    All my sympathies are with Bryony Frost; she took a courageous stand and her courage has been vindicated. I hope her career does not suffer

    #1571705
    Marginal Value
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    Quoting GT:

    “However, if you were part of that weighing room wouldn’t you feel part of the culture there and therefore be thinking they’re blaming me (at least in part) and calling me / my moral values “rancid”?
    …And that may be why the comment has got jockeys backs up.”

    There may well be many people who think that is absolutely correct, but also think that those jockeys deserve the comment. Most of the time these days we have learned how to be polite, but sometimes polite, soft comments do not transmit the the real thoughts that need to be communicated. It seems that there are a lot of people among the general populace who might have used stronger words about those jockeys. The concept of ethics has been talked, and written, about since the early Greek civilization, and if you just stand around and do nothing when you should intervene to stop a bad thing happening, then you are complicit in the bad thing. If those jockeys moral values allowed them to ingnore what was happening right in front of them for such a long time, then their morals should be called into question. They are the personal owners of their own morals, ethics, values and behaviours, and it is their responsibilty to do right, not wrong. They should stop bleating about outside criticism and examine their own consciences.

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    mickeyjp
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    The jockeys seem to be utterly oblivious to what those outside racing are seeing and hearing. One look at twitter or Facebook will show them the vast majority are appalled at the bullying but utterly gobsmacked by the pja refusing to accept the ruling. Normally I don’t give a monkeys about social media but when the disapproval is universal and virtually nobody supporting the jockeys then they need to listen and quickly. Be interesting to what reception those who spoke up for dunne get on the racecourse. Maybe get to feel just a smidgeon of what frost has been through.

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