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Danehill was Judmonts most successful stallion?Even if he was a Coolmore stallion?Very Interesting.I suppose Napoleon was Englands most successful general too.
Danehill was owned by K Abdullah but he must of sold him. i don’t think you could claim its juddmonte’s most successful stallion if he didn’t own him in his stallion carer
He was a product of Juddmonte Farm’s breeding operation. The fact that he was not marketed as a stallion by them does not alter where he originated or his racing career.
I’d appreciate it if someone could shed a bit of light on that particular deal, turned in to a real own goal by Juddmonte that one it seems.
I couldn’t see a similar thing happening these days, such as the selling of Oasis Dream, or even Frankel, to the Coolmore Mafia. Has Juddmonte evolved over the years, or was it an inspired huge offer that even they couldn’t turn down?
Thanks in advance.
Danehill was a superbly bred son of Danzig, inbred 3×3 to Natalma (dam of Northern Dancer). On the racecourse he was a high class performer winning the group 3 Cork & Orrery (now Group 1) at the Royal Meeting and the newly elevated group 1 Haydock Park Sprint. He was just short of top class and despite having a great pedigree I think Juddmonte chose to stand Warning (who was a better racehorse) whose pedigree was free of Northern Dancer. Coolmore and an Australian Stud bought him to act as a shuttle stallion, presumably their offer was deemed to good to turn down.
Or else he was not considered good enough to infiltrate their bloodlines.Poor judgement the sheiks.Good judgement the mafia.
No but they did unload Xaar to Goldolphin while still racing, taking a leaf out of the Aga Khan’s book.
He was a better stallion, than he was a race horse as you know
the fact that juddmonte sold him to Arrowfield Stud and coolmore meant he wasn’t that much thought about as a stallion. no one can claim that he was juddmontes most successful stallion.Maybe there most successful bred horse
Seems like Coolmore have done a deal with China to open up China to thoroughbred racing.China like to do business with the bigest and best.The people love to gamble and the government like to compete with Japan.Incredible!
Seems like Coolmore have done a deal with China to open up China to thoroughbred racing.China like to do business with the bigest and best.The people love to gamble and the government
like to compete with Japan
.Incredible!
Considering the Japanese 2000 guineas yesterday had a purse of over $3.5million with over $1.5million to the winner, that would be interesting.
How might it affect racing here if the same horses could earn ten or twenty times as much on the other side?
Seems like Coolmore have done a deal with China to open up China to thoroughbred racing.China like to do business with the bigest and best.The people love to gamble and the government
like to compete with Japan
.Incredible!
Considering the Japanese 2000 guineas yesterday had a purse of over $3.5million with over $1.5million to the winner, that would be interesting.
How might it affect racing here if the same horses could earn ten or twenty times as much on the other side?
The jumpers already can. The Nakayama Grand Jump and Nakayama Daishogai are worth $1.7 million each. It’s strange that no European hurdlers ever go over there, despite efforts from the JRA to invite international horses.
http://japanracing.jp/en/information/it … ml#contentThe jumpers already can. The Nakayama Grand Jump and Nakayama Daishogai are worth $1.7 million each. It’s strange that no European hurdlers ever go over there, despite efforts from the JRA to invite international horses.
http://japanracing.jp/en/information/it … ml#content2000 – Boca Boca, The Outback Way, Hill Society, Celibate
2002 – Cenkos, Ty Benjam, Dom Lyphard, Banker Count, Exit Swinger
2003 – Escort Boy, Armaturk, Tiutchev, Tiger Groom,
2004 – Oway, Neriette
2005 – Sphinx Du Berlais
2006 – 0
2007 – 0
2008 – Alarm Call
2009 – 0
2010 – 0
2011 – 0
2012 – 0Very strange indeed.
I think that the differences are that the top Japanese flat races are at the end of the racing season and clash with nothing whereas the Grand Jump coincides with the peak of the jumps season. The horses typically aimed for races like the Japan Cup, QEII Mile Championship have invariably won more than enough prize money in Europe to justify the cost of travel. This wouldn’t be the case with a "just shy of top class" horse who possibly have a better chance at Nakayama than at Cheltenham.
Furthermore, the jumps track at Nakayama resembles a cross country course more than a park course. On the other hand, a flat course is a flat course.
He was a better stallion, than he was a race horse as you know
the fact that juddmonte sold him to Arrowfield Stud and coolmore meant he wasn’t that much thought about as a stallion. no one can claim that he was juddmontes most successful stallion.Maybe there most successful bred horse[/q
History’s most successful sire 89 Group 1 winners
The jumpers already can. The Nakayama Grand Jump and Nakayama Daishogai are worth $1.7 million each. It’s strange that no European hurdlers ever go over there, despite efforts from the JRA to invite international horses.
http://japanracing.jp/en/information/it … ml#content2000 – Boca Boca, The Outback Way, Hill Society, Celibate
2002 – Cenkos, Ty Benjam, Dom Lyphard, Banker Count, Exit Swinger
2003 – Escort Boy, Armaturk, Tiutchev, Tiger Groom,
2004 – Oway, Neriette
2005 – Sphinx Du Berlais
2006 – 0
2007 – 0
2008 – Alarm Call
2009 – 0
2010 – 0
2011 – 0
2012 – 0Very strange indeed.
I think that the differences are that the top Japanese flat races are at the end of the racing season and clash with nothing whereas the Grand Jump coincides with the peak of the jumps season. The horses typically aimed for races like the Japan Cup, QEII Mile Championship have invariably won more than enough prize money in Europe to justify the cost of travel. This wouldn’t be the case with a "just shy of top class" horse who possibly have a better chance at Nakayama than at Cheltenham.
Furthermore, the jumps track at Nakayama resembles a cross country course more than a park course. On the other hand, a flat course is a flat course.
It made the aussie connections of Australian jumper Karasi rich winning it 3 times 2005 to 2007. Though he did run 4th in a Melb Cup before being sent over the jumps and was a pretty decent flat horse.
HOPE THIS HELPS
The name of Arrowfield has been associated with champion stallions for more than 100 years, beginning with the Bowman family’s establishment of their farm at Jerry’s Plains in 1842.
The first Arrowfield rose to prominence as a thoroughbred stud in the early 1900’s under the Moses brothers, standing the leading sire St. Alwyne, and later champion sire Valais.
After a period where the name was more closely associated with wine than horses, Arrowfield was re-born in 1985 as a thoroughbred stud under John Messara’s leadership. Four stallions, Rancher, Prego, Bellotto and Kenmare took up residence at Jerry’s Plains, and the modern era of Arrowfield began when all four proved successful Group 1-producing sires.
In 1989 Arrowfield made one of the single most important purchases in Australian bloodstock history when it selected and purchased a majority interest in Danehill, who proved to be a global breed-shaping influence, and the sire of 89 Group 1 winners – more than any other stallion in history. Danehill stood at Arrowfield alongside other successful stallions including Last Tycoon, Fairy King and Geiger Counter.
After relocating in 1996 to the stud’s present location in the fertile Segenhoe Valley near Scone, Arrowfield enjoyed success with the outstanding sire Snippets before launching the careers of three champion sire sons of Danehill: Danzero (now at Rosemont Stud, Victoria), Flying Spur and Redoute’s Choice.
In 2003 Arrowfield purchased the champion sire of Chile, Hussonet (by Mr Prospector), sire in Australia of Horse of the Year Weekend Hussler and now based at Cornerstone Stud, South Australia. He was followed in 2005 by Charge Forward (by Red Ransom) and Not a Single Doubt, and in 2006 by Snitzel (by Redoute’s Choice) and Starcraft (by Soviet Star). These four young stallions are already established among the leading sires of their generation.
Arrowfield’s latest stallion acquisitions are Group 1 winners All American (by Red Ransom), Manhattan Rain (by Encosta de Lago), the high-class 2YO Beneteau (by Redoute’s Choice) and superstar colt Smart Missile. (by Fastnet Rock).
Notable firsts achieved by the stud in recent years include the first Australian stallions to shuttle to Japan (Snitzel, 2007 & 2011); and the United States (All American, Darby Dan Farm, Kentucky in 2011).
Arrowfield has also bred and/or sold a number of colts who have made their mark as successful sires. These include its own stallions Danzero and Flying Spur, as well as the great New Zealand sire Zabeel, Danewin, Commands, Lion Hunter, Nothin’ Leica Dane, and Catbird.
Arrowfield’s reputation as a stallion maker is evident in a world-class stallion roster headed by the remarkable champion sire, sale-ring sensation and sire of sires Redoute’s Choice.
Arrowfield also enjoys its share of racetrack success and recent stars include champion filly Miss Finland, and Group 1 winners Alinghi, Alverta and All American.
Frankel has been given the all clear to resume training and may yet even run in the Lockinge.
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