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Commercial tipsters are an easy target or forum members but not all are conmen.
I agree. As I’ve mentioned before, I ran a tipping service in 1992. It was called "Race Analysis By Time". I advertised in the Life, Post, Weekender and Raceform Update. It genuinely made a decent profit for subscribers to level stakes. After a decent initial response, however, the number of subscribers fell away until it became uneconomic. Work that one out.
When I closed it down, everyone owed money was paid.
It was an interesting experience.
But at the end of the day it’s up to the person that calls / pays for the service. They don’t need to call do they? Cheaper to buy a racing post and study the form.
I know if i could get paid what the tipsters do for their tips i’d do it! And for the most i could get too.
But would you have a conscience? I know I certainly wouldn’t.
Look at the example above, "I have very good news", Thommo says, before tipping 3 short priced losers. The next day he starts with the same greeting, "I have very good news".
The only very good news is that his postman has been and several thousands of pounds worth of cheques have landed on his door mat.
I’m sure Thommo, and a lot of other people in the game, can make money in other ways than to charge people for tips – tips that smack you in the face as soon as you read a racing paper.
Like I said earlier, I wish the government would just ban these sort of things.
Mike
I don’t think i would have too much of a conscience as i guess i’d sell my tips on the basis of them being just that – my tips based on any knowledge i have. If only they’d sell though !!
It would be up to the people buying them to find out the past stats etc. I mean if you claim to have inside information and and pass on certainties that aren’t and are donkeys then of course that’s lying and tricking people out of money. But i guess most tipsters sell on what’s best to their knowledge and don’t lie deliberately. I’ve heard many and many a stable lad / jockey pass on certainties at the track but then they get beat. Same goes for tipsters.The thing with these tipsters is that you see the same ones advertising in the racing post etc etc, i mean they must be making some money to be able to keep going – they must have returning customers so they are pleasing someone out there.
I think it’s the same for most things in life, keep out of it’s way if you don’t like it.
I have no problem with them selling what they want. Same with these chat & dating lines that charge the same… well don’t call them.
You see designers like **** selling T-shirts that cost less than 2p to make, yet sell them on for £45… There’s no real difference. Just don’t buy it if you don’t like it.I’ve been running my own service for several years – marketed via http://www.GG.com (free trial available!). I don’t charge the earth – works out at less than a quid a day for analysis that can run to 20 pages of A4 on a big-race day…and it’s profitable. Some people are actually put off by low prices – "it can’t be any good or you’d be charging more", like ISIRIS, the winning line, Henry Rix, Mel Collier (he used to subscribe to my service, though I’m sure that’s not the reason why he went out of business
) etc, etc. I’m hopeful that Greg Gordon’s Good Tipster Guide will sort out the wheat from the chaff.Wow i’ll have a look at it, are they any good though
Actually you’re probably better than most of the celeb tipsters!!You can always rely on people to score some free advertising when presented with an open goal.
You’re right, Wallace.
And if anyone should feel offended at Mounty’s blatant tout, I suggest they try "Grasshoppers Affrontage Hotline" on 0800-MY-ARSE (£1.15 per minute – mobiles vary), for immediate virtual cuddles.
Anyone know what happened to Dave Roberts and his Smartproof venture?
Quite an eye opener it was and would add credence, if not ‘proof’, to Wallace’s words:
Some of the best tipping services are very low profile and do nicely for a select group of subscribers.
You can always rely on people to score some free advertising when presented with an open goal.
Back of the net!
Fair play to you Mounty. You’re a member here since 2001 and while that does not give you or any of us the right to advertise, it does give you the right to reply to this thread in whatever way you see fit. I can’t see many members of this forum rushing to send you a cheque solely on the basis of your post, and I don’t think that’s the reason you posted.
I run a private service too, and find it to be a chore that us tipsters have a reputation on a par with… I dunno… someone with a very bad reputation. Hence I don’t tend to mention it on here. But I do know there are some good services out there, in fact the first and only service I ever joined was a good and honest one, until it disbanded.
I work with a small number of horse racing nuts if I could label them as such. One is a guy who goes by the name of LazyExcuse, some of you may have heard of him. Without saying anything else – I think many people subscribe because they receive the kind of in-depth analysis and good race-reading that Mounty alludes to, as much as “tips” themselves.
The likes of Tommo saying “I have good news, 8/13 is expected to win like an 8/13 shot should and has been burning up the gallops”… that’s just pants, does nobody any good in the long term, himself included…
Thanks for your comments dandan, agree that we have a desperate reputation thanks to the prevalence of sharks in our industry. I think anyone who knows me on here will realise it was tongue-in-cheek rather than Spam related. I am a genuine contributor to this forum and have given it several mentions in the acknowledgement section of my books.
Greg Gordon’s Good Tipster Guide is due for publication next March/April.
I am a billionaire several times over and all of it has come from backing Thommo’s telephone tips.
You can always rely on people to score some free advertising when presented with an open goal.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
ive never came across a genuine consistent tipping service, maybe im unlucky but i doubt it. id say 90% are cons
found this quite funny
http://www.horseracebase.com/columnists.php#sweeney2
The Sweeney – 5th November 2007 – I hate public transport.
Everyone has their pet hates in life and it just so happens that mine is public transport. More specifically its buses. Im not sure whether im just unlucky but every time i get on one i end up having an awful experience.
Today i decided to follow the do-gooders advice and leave my car at home when i went into town to buy a few things. I jumped on board and sat as remotely as i could – there was nobody near me but in my head i could only feel negative thoughts. Next stop two nerdy-looking people got on and promptly sat in the seats directly in front of me. I then witnessed a conversation about something called "The Dungeon Chamber" and an argument about whether it was better to use a "monkey key" or a "plankton card". This later moved on to a heartfelt plea from one to the other to trade the secret code to level 19 for an extra joypad. The last straw was when they started using each others nicknames "Master G" and "Prairie Dog" and Master G uttered the line "I’ll tell you one thing Prairie Dog, your thunderbolts are powerless against the might of Angari’s tomb sword".
I couldnt bear it and moved upstairs. And it was up here that i bumped into a good old buddy of mine i hadnt seen in ages. This guy was always a true gent and a gambler who i always admired. He had his own strategy and stuck to it. If there was a big gamble moving round the pub he would ignore it and stick to his own thing. I never knew if he made big money and i didnt really care, the point is he done ok with his bets but wasnt "full of it".
Well as it turns out the bad luck of the buses struck again for me. I sat down looking forward to a decent conversation about racing like the good old days and before i knew it he was trying to sell me a tipping service and claimed he had made 20 grand in the last week. When i said i wasnt interested he warbled on about having a 85% strike rate. When i asked for some examples of landed bets in the last week he stuttered and said he would have to get details from his boss. I said that if he had made such money he would surely remember a winner and he backtracked and said he meant £20,000 this year. I got up and turned away and when he asked where i was going called back with a certain air of disgust "Im going to sit with Master G and Prairie Dog".
Turns out there may be a pet hate i have ranking higher than buses!
a fool and his money are easily parted
people give thousands to someone they don’t know who tells them they have just won a foreign lottery they didn’t enter, thousands to nigerians who will give them half the 60 million dollars they need help getting to the west, etc.
anybody who has an IQ vaguely above that of ‘village idiot level’ should complain not one iota about any money or return they may have given or got to a tipping service
some people are not meant to have money, they are too stupid to keep hold of it
yes, i think tipping services are unadulterated cons that generally provide losses but they are not illegal and aside from the intelligence or common sense issue of people who give money to these people, they don’t prey on the innocent and vulnerable, gambling is what it is and a game for the greedy and less than 1 in a 100 gamblers will ever see a profit and they know it
) etc, etc. I’m hopeful that Greg Gordon’s Good Tipster Guide will sort out the wheat from the chaff.
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