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Ive just seen on ATR text that some of the presenters/experts are now charging people by debit card to access their services.
Two examples:
Jason Weaver £250 for three months and he will send you 4-5 tips a month.
Tommo £175 for 6 months he will send you 1 or 2 tips per week.
Plus the phone call to set this up does anyone actually subscribe to these services and if so why would you spend so much surely you can pick a winner without lining the pockets of this lot.
If they are so good why do they still stand in the pouring rain on a cold Tuesday afternoon at Lingfield surely they should be rolling in money.
Incidentally one of the tipsters has given purple moon as his tip for the Melbourne Cup
Steve,
You’re dead right mate. Anyone who subscribes to these services wants their head looking at. Thommo has been doing it for years of course, his telephone tipping line that is.
As for Weaver, why would anyone pay £250 when he gives his tips (good or bad) free of charge on ATR every day?
You will often see on adverts, "why do I have to sell my tips?" followed by some cock and bull story about how they want to make other people rich. We all know if they were so good at tipping winners they wouldn’t have to sell their info, and more to the point, wouldn’t want to sell their info.
The government should clamp down on this type of thing, not just tipping lines, but all these crap competition lines aimed at vulnerable people. It really does make my blood boil.
Have you ever received those scratch cards with your newspaper. The ones where every single one is a winner, yet it takes you a 6 minute phone call at £1.50 per minute to find out your prize. Your prize is then £500 holiday voucher, only redeemable when you take a family of 8 on a £5,000 around the world holiday. It really is scandolous.
Mike
We all dream of having a big touch but you won’t find it paying your hard earned cash to these guys.
They don’t spend anyhwere near the time they would need to, to give you good or genuine service. It;s just a way of earning extra cash off the mug punters.
They or you would never in a hundred years be told the day before if a gamble was on. A good trainer doesn’t even tell his staff if an owner is going for a touch. They don’t stop these horses either, they don’t have to they leave them short of work, they stop themselves.
A good trainer will tell you:- when you start paying the bills then you will be told.. There is more loyalty between owners, jockeys and trainers than you can imagine when something big is going down.
Stable lads are about as good tipsters as Tommo on a bad day. They are just hoping you will stick a few quid on for them and it wins. The less money they have the more BS they talk.
So where are they getting this amazing information, they ask you to pay for? It’s all guesswork.
what makes me laugh are the so called pro backers who roll out the old chestnut about having to sell their information because they’ve had all their betting accounts closed….YEH RIGHT. think the worst ones are the ones that arrive by unsolicited mail that offer "odds to" service. its so easy to get a client list, split them off into groups, pick a tricky 7/8 runner race and give them different horses to back in the same race. the winners are then split off on another little race and so on, then you are left with a few ‘clients’ who’ve had several winners on the trot who are willing to pay whatever is asked for the next bet.
what makes me laugh are the so called pro backers who roll out the old chestnut about having to sell their information because they’ve had all their betting accounts closed….YEH RIGHT. think the worst ones are the ones that arrive by unsolicited mail that offer "odds to" service. its so easy to get a client list, split them off into groups, pick a tricky 7/8 runner race and give them different horses to back in the same race. the winners are then split off on another little race and so on, then you are left with a few ‘clients’ who’ve had several winners on the trot who are willing to pay whatever is asked for the next bet.
Never thought off that..think I’ll start me a tipping service
Tommo £175 for 6 months he will send you 1 or 2 tips per week.
You sure? As he has his tipping for £95 for a year on his website. I joined for a month a while back and thought they were ok, but to be honest all of these tipping services don’t offer ‘inside info’ so best looking yourself.
There was one person who sold their tips on a very rare basis, think was Jim McGrath?? And only when a horse he REALLY liked/ knew it would win he tipped. Though guess you could be risking money for months waiting for the 1 to appear.
Aye, stick with studying the form yourself!! Or just back favourites!!
Just found this from Guardian Online (it’s from 2001 but says what it needs to say):
Another tipster with a Newmarket address is Derek Thompson, better known as a Channel 4 racing presenter. Asked for an opinion on the merits of his fellow tipster, Collier hesitated. And then he laughed. Read on, and you’ll discover why.
Clean-cut, forever smiling and keen to please – if Derek Thompson was a novel he’d be something by Barbara Cartland. His Channel 4 Racing bosses admire him because they know that if a 90-second gap appears, Thompson will ad lib 90 seconds precisely. ‘Tommo’ sells himself expertly as the punter’s pal. On our evidence he’s anything but.
Tommo brings this same effortless quality to his other job, that of professional tipster. Flick through the Racing Post and you will find him, along with many others, casting his net for more customers. Need some tips for Royal Ascot? Tommo can oblige. Just call 0901 5638238 and, for 60p a minute, you’re sorted.
If you have an aversion to premium-rate telephone numbers, you can pay up front, £199.99 per year, to join the Derek Thompson Racing Club and get access to a non-premium line. There’s even a visit to a Newmarket yard thrown in, an opportunity to see Tommo in the flesh. As Tommo says: ‘Shame on you if you haven’t joined!’
But if you’re the cautious type, the kind who prefers to try before you buy, there’s no shame in not joining. Far from it. In the spirit of punter solidarity, Observer Sport called Thompson’s tipping line every day for four consecutive weeks, as well as those of two of his rivals. We staked a notional £50 to win on each selection and put a stopwatch on every call.
Of the 89 horses tipped by Thompson – many of them obvious and short-priced – 72 were beaten. Even though he was 40p a minute cheaper than his two rivals, one call to his line can still cost four times as much the Racing Post .
Thompson seems to believe that his callers live in a land where newspapers have been suppressed and he is the source of all information.
‘I’ve got very good news,’ he said during the second week, when he was tipping at Pontefract, as though it would never have occurred to anyone that In Space, the 5-4 favourite in the 2.45, might be in with a chance. The horse finished fifth, the same as Puffin, Thompson’s tip in the 4.20. After asserting that Benedectine would ‘take the beating’, he moved on to a lengthy plug for his racing club.
Benedictine was second. Three tips, three losers, but for Thompson, there was no need for an explanation. Had he backed any of the three himself? Did he feel his callers’ pain? We can, perhaps, deduce something from the words with which he greeted his regulars the next morning.
‘Hi, it’s Tommo – and I’ve got some good news.’ It was as if Pontefract had never happened.
Wonder if the person who writes Tommo’s scripts has written a book. I enjoy a good fairy story now and then.
Like all these famous faces he is taking advatage of his position.
Who needs people like him these days to find winners?
The best tool around is your own eyes.
If I was still betting like I used to I would be watching every recording of every race I could find.
You will soon find a few horses that were unlucky losers or having a quiet run that are well worth watching out for and it costs you nothing.
who the hell do these people think they are? I always thought they were regulated and if they did not gain a certain return from their tips they were ‘thrown out’ of this business,,are they or caould we all have a go?? I’m as bad as the next. Look at the NAPS tables etc they are mostly down. :evil: who the hell do these people think they are? I always thought they were regulated and if they did not gain a certain return from their tips they were ‘thrown out’ of this business,,are they or caould we all have a go?? I’m as bad as the next. Look at the NAPS tables etc they are mostly down.
They only just regulated insurers and they’ve been scamming people for years. I’m guessing with the new gaming act they will be a while getting to Mr Thompson – So will everyone else by the sounds of things
Just found this from Guardian Online (it’s from 2001 but says what it needs to say):.
I think the above piece was written by Greg Gordon – he’s currently revisiting this area and is researching a Good Tipster Guide.
Is Steptoe, the West Highland terrier who beat Thompson in a month long tipping competition organised by the Guardian, still alive?
If so, does anyone know the number of his tipping line?But at the end of the day it’s up to the person that calls / pays for the service. They don’t need to call do they? Cheaper to buy a racing post and study the form.
I know if i could get paid what the tipsters do for their tips i’d do it! And for the most i could get too.I’m with Big Mac on this.
Never use them ! So, all you tipsters out there who continue to spam me on a daily basis; I tell you now – give up hoping for a reply – you are wasting your time.
In the words of the old Aga Khan when asked about how to back winners – "follow the form, follow public form." Do it yourself, I say. Much more fun and more profitable.
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Is Steptoe, the West Highland terrier who beat Thompson in a month long tipping competition organised by the Guardian, still alive?
If so, does anyone know the number of his tipping line?I don’t know but it was Matthew Norman who organised it. He now writes (very entertainingly) for the Independent.
Commercial tipsters are an easy target or forum members but not all are conmen.
Some of the best tipping services are very low profile and do nicely for a select group of subscribers. Getting a detailed analysis and insight on how bets are arrived at enables a lot of people to improve their own selection methods.
But at the end of the day it’s up to the person that calls / pays for the service. They don’t need to call do they? Cheaper to buy a racing post and study the form.
I know if i could get paid what the tipsters do for their tips i’d do it! And for the most i could get too.But would you have a conscience? I know I certainly wouldn’t.
Look at the example above, "I have very good news", Thommo says, before tipping 3 short priced losers. The next day he starts with the same greeting, "I have very good news".
The only very good news is that his postman has been and several thousands of pounds worth of cheques have landed on his door mat.
I’m sure Thommo, and a lot of other people in the game, can make money in other ways than to charge people for tips – tips that smack you in the face as soon as you read a racing paper.
Like I said earlier, I wish the government would just ban these sort of things.
Mike
who the hell do these people think they are? I always thought they were regulated and if they did not gain a certain return from their tips they were ‘thrown out’ of this business,,are they or caould we all have a go?? I’m as bad as the next. Look at the NAPS tables etc they are mostly down. 
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