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I see no dfference between say what Mounty is providing his subscribers and what Timeform and the Racing Post provide their subscribers.
All are providing analysis in one form or another, but for some reason, people like Mounty would be deemed a conman by a lot of people
Interesting innit
I believe that, psychologically, most rational people are averse to receiving direct advice of any kind unless they think they need it. They think that they can resolve most things themselves using their own abilities; needing help is something people won’t acknowledge unless they are floundering.
Most forum members are fairly rational and have their own ideas about how to make their selections and bets, and resent being told that they should stop doing that and phone up a tipster for a selection. As a result, I would always expect tipsters who tout their services to get a very cold reception here.(most replies)
Those rational people who think they need good advice will seek it out for themselves when they recognise that their own abilities will not carry them as far as they wish to go.(Wallace and Mounty)
People who are not so rational, or lazy, will flit from one tipster to another and are the target for the spammers, newspaper adverts and mail shots.
(Nobody here, I hope)"………………..Most forum members are fairly rational ………………"
Glad you included the "most" and "fairly", Artemis.
Colin
Just seen Jason Weavers page on atr (p643) he’s claiming he’s "well ahead in 2007" – possibly from the idiots who’ve paid him £250.
He claims tomorrow his tip will hack up if you are one of the people who has subscribed to his service please let us know if his tip wins tomorrow.
I can see the point of a good tipster.
There are days when a punter is just too busy to study form. There are times when the same punter just cannot be bothered. There also those days when you cannot see the woods for the trees, or when a losing run lasts four months and you need some confidence from somewhere.
Additionally, there are minted plumbers, sparks and chippies who love a punt and don’t have the time to construct and compile their own speed ratings – for what they are worth.
A tipster is the ultimate labour saving device and should be seen as such. Being abusive to tipsters per se is like refusing to buy a microwave cooker on principle.
Oh, and I wasn’t offended in the slightest by Mounty’s plug. The more information I have about what’s out there, the better.
Excellent point, Maxilon, couldn’t agree more – and that’s even without my blows-hot-and-very-cold-tipster’s hat on!
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
There is nothing wrong with tipsters in theory and i can see your point and the benefit they may offer to those who dont have time but still want to back or whatever.
What i feel gets on most peoples nerves though is the ridiculous claims and lies that are told to tempt people to sign up.
I know this is just marketing and i agree it is possibly the subscribers fault for being naive, but using the comparison to objecting to a microwave, would there not be uproar if a manufacter was claiming that their microwave was incredible and could turn water into wine and has done consistently for the past few years?
How do you distinguish between a tipping service based on form analyses or one relying on contacts and inside information, or does it not matter?
Triple Crown
One of the best (free) tipsters in the business put Bermuda Pointe as a lay based solely on an opinion from the horses recent race. A paragraph of well researched facts and a strong argument why the horse should be opposed at odds on. 6 from 6 so far this week.
The RP proofing period prior to being accepted is longer than 2 weeks and I think it is actually 2 months.
There are far more than eight people making good profit on a regular basis from betting on horses. I would estimate a figure in the region of 500 closer to the mark.
Inside information is of limited value in the long term for tipping/punting. There is enough information available for pros to form an opinion and produce profitable selections.
One of the best (free) tipsters in the business put Bermuda Pointe as a lay based solely on an opinion from the horses recent race. A paragraph of well researched facts and a strong argument why the horse should be opposed at odds on. 6 from 6 so far this week.
Wasn’t the deliberately inflammatory ex-serviceman fond of the words "cretinous" and "pathetic", was it?
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Tipsters are on a hiding to nothing, whether they are genuine or not. People want to always win, always get good odds and never have a losing streak.
I have to declare an interest as I have had a tipping line for a number of years.
When I first got going all selections had to be faxed to the Racing Post and one had to make a level stake profit over 2 months but just the first selection would have done as long as it made a profit.
As regards to the likes of Brimadon and Isiris who spend many thousands advertising their services every month in the Racing Post there does not seem to be any control of the claims they make but a look at the advertising standards website shows that they often have complaints made about them.
A look at any old copy of The Sporting Life which was published over 20 years ago and there would not be one tipping line ever advertsing so it is a relevantly new thing although tipsters have been around racecourses for years.
There have been many former jockeys including Graham Bradley, Smith Eccles and even Lester was signed up at one time that have all had a try and 2 years ago trainer Gay Kellaway was only charging £5,000 a month for her ‘gold service’ what ever that was!
There is no control either on relay lines that simply join a few tipping services and pass the information on.
I was informed that the most popular relay lines had over 3,000 members that pay £10.00 a week to hear the views on the tipping lines that the relay line have joined. Thats a cool £30k a week! They have been going for 12 years.The easiest way to operate is by starting an ‘odds to’ service and to do place small ads in newspapers such as The Daily Express, News Of The World etc etc and announce ‘there will be a 12/1 winner soon.’
This can give you up to 300 numbers to call you then need to get just 30 or so to place bets for you and should they win they will always be some that send you money in either at the odds you suggest they take or at S.P.
There will always be some that refuse to send any money in or state they never got on but when Gasparo won last year owners of one such line trousered 40K!graysonscolumn, sorry but you need to explain that one for me.
Not The Brigadier on Betfair, then.
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Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
A look at any old copy of The Sporting Life which was published over 20 years ago and there would not be one tipping line ever advertsing so it is a relevantly new thing although tipsters have been around racecourses for years.
The Life used to run plenty of tipping adverts, including full page ones, anyone remember "Mr Money and his Bombshells"?
No, I manage to avoid the BF forum although I do like having a laugh at the hapless aceform in his never ending search for the winning method.
Me too Wallace …
.. the whole forums a joke, I’m glad that the hopeless guessers don’t come here in great numbers. The entertainment value wears a bit thin after a couple of years.THIS ONE’S NAILED ON TO WIN.
I’m sure anyone wanting to examine the psychological relationship between forums and peoples day to day lives would get about a years worth of work from a days worth of postings .. whats it all about?
.. the whole forums a joke, I’m glad that the hopeless guessers don’t come here in great numbers. The entertainment value wears a bit thin after a couple of years.- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.