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Sticking with the Sires, could have put on earlier for a bigger price but lacking confidence or something.
Lambourn to win it for Australia 18/1
Puppet Master to win it for Camelot 33/1
Delacroix is now back as favourite.
3/1 now top price with only a few of the smaller bookmakers. £1 available @ 4.3 on betfair.
Whereas:
The Lion In Winter is out to a top price of 7/2 – with Coral and Ladbrokes – £23 waiting @ 5.5 on betfair… EDIT: Now 4/1 with Paddy.
Value Is EverythingGingertipster it be because in racing post that Ryan Moore would most likely choose to ride Delocroix over Thelioninwinter
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Probably VF.
I still find it interesting though.
I know TLIW has supposedly not had much work since York; but maybe he isn’t showing as much improvement as they expected at this stage.Value Is EverythingThey not done their final pieces of work yet so we don’t know who Ryan Moore will ride. The bookies have just reacted to AOB’s latest comment.
It’s been more a decade since the Classic double was last done, so the time is ripe for Ruling Court to hold sway. Field of Gold’s Curragh demolition job shows the Guineas form is rock solid. Two horses in last 30 years have won the Dante on their second start, and one of them won at Epsom (Desert Crown) so Pride of Arras is a big big danger.
Delacroix will be thereabouts but Fame and Glory and Broome weren’t quite good enough to win at Epsom after doing the Leopardstown trial double and I think he will perform similarly. The Lion is not a Group 1 winner like the last 2 winners so I can’t see recent history repeating itself again , particularly as AOB appears to favour Delacroix .
Of the outsiders, look out for the Green Team runners in the extra place market- they have an incredible record for getting horses in the first 5 at huge odds.I’ve just reviewed the Chester Vase and I’m still impressed with the run of Lazy Griff, especially as Charlie Johnston said he’d been held up in his work beforehand. Only beaten in the final furlong by a race fit O’ Brien horse who is much shorter in the Derby betting, I suspect there might be some tasty ew 4 places available on the morning of the race.
The Lion In Winter again on the drift. Out to 10/1 with some bookmakers. With Delacroix in to 2/1.
Value Is EverythingWhat’s in the public domain for the bookies to push him out that far?
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So, if Lion In Winter romps home in the Derby, will there be a proper investigation into how his “genius” trainer has failed to prepare 3 successive Derby winners to run to anything like their actual ability in their previous races? (See also Lake Victoria). These unusual betting patterns on Lion In Winter don’t help.
Usually does, and sometimes is. Retrospect is a great thing though. We’ll know more by October, but some of us will have lost a lot of money by then!
No horse has yet put up a performance good enough to win a median average Derby. However, there are at least 8 runners who COULD progress into a better than average Derby winner. So it is too soon to be decrying the quality.
We have a 2000 Guineas winner in RULING COURT,who beat the easy Irish Guineas winner at Newmarket. Admittedly he isn’t sure to stay this trip.
Four Dante runners who could find the improvement:
It may not have been a vintage Dante. But for PRIDE OF ARRAS to win it on only his second start is unusual and the fact it was only his second means the chunk of improvement in his third run could be massive.
The second DAMYSUS has appeared still learning the game despite the number of runs… And probably made more ground up when the tempo was at its fastest.
The York fifth NIGHTWALKER is exceptionally well bred and looked just as green as the runner-up stable companion… And if anything was given an even easier race than the sixth horse…
Ex-ante-post favourite THE LION IN WINTER. Everyone knew he would need his reappearance, just a question of by how much. It’s asking a lot to progress by as much as is required in the time span… But it’s possible and I have little doubt TLIW will prove top class at some stage this year…
His stable companion DELACROIX is now favourite and ran away with two top trials in Ireland. I backed him ante-post after those runs, but on “form” he’s probably too short for what he’s achieved now. Has undoubted potential though.
The third Ballymore runner LAMBOURN won the Chester Vase in workmanlike fashion. But he’s a stayer at the trip anyway – so that is to be expected. Could still improve given a stiff mile and a half.
The forgotten horse is perhaps the one who only went down to Delacroix by a neck in the Autumn Stakes last year. STANHOPE GARDENS. The pair finishing 4 lengths in front of Nightwalker. Stanhope Gardens is a stable companion of the Dante winner and is interesting they’re taking their chance after an unusual prep’ in a 3 runner minor event at Salisbury which he won easily at long odds-on.So it “COULD” even be a vintage Derby. We don’t know yet.
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