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June 6, 2021 at 19:37 #1544170
Seen horses win easily and be found to have horrific cuts on their legs so still not convinced by BB. Not as good as they said I reckon. I think it’s the best Derby we’ve seen for a while (which, given the last few, isn’t necessarily saying too much) but time will tell.
Johnny Murtagh predicted John Leeper’s Derby perfectly. The horse may eventually end up being gelded but, if he was mine, I’d put him away for a while, give him one or two runs in the Autumn and concentrate on his 4 year old career. Derby came far too soon for him and will probably have set him back even more.
June 6, 2021 at 21:48 #1544183I tend to agree that this was the wrong race at the wrong time for John Leeper and it may set him back big time. Agree look to a 4 year old career before removing his under carriage, especially with his stellar pedigree.
There is a greater preparedness these days to geld well bred colts than in times of old
June 7, 2021 at 04:23 #1544197Without knowing the full extent of the injury, I would tend to agree Tonge.
Over the years I have picked up some quite nasty knocks playing football, but it wasn’t until the match was over that they became really noticeable. Why wouldn’t that be the same for a horse?
Hurricane Lane lost both front shoes, surely that would have had a detrimental effect on the horses performance on that ground?
June 7, 2021 at 05:25 #1544198For me, the injury to the hot favourite makes the result less than satisfactory rather than saying it was the best Derby in years. The first 2 home had only won 1 little race between them. Godolphin 3rd string beating a maiden and the 3rd home losing shoes. Trainer thought the winner would be a bit slow for it and more a Leger horse but turned out to be the best horse on the day. I’d like to see the winner try to back it up in an Irish Derby and then i might alter my view of the race if he bags it.
June 8, 2021 at 10:04 #1544366The cut to BB looked sore rather than serious, and aren’t Galileos supposed to ‘run through brick walls’ for you?
June 8, 2021 at 10:10 #1544368BB didn’t look comfortable on the ground and never strode out at all. I’m sure the cut was not great for the horse but I don’t think it made much difference. Hopefully will be back sometime after royal ascot.
June 8, 2021 at 23:01 #1544499Adayar going for the King George next. If it comes up firm I will not be backing him even though the older horses do not inspire me.
Irish Derby looked ideal for him but maybe he needs more time to get over Epsom.
June 12, 2021 at 13:54 #1545078Will Adayar be a top class horse in the near future? Yes.
Racehorses at Derby time are still developing, they are not fully mature until the middle of their fourth year. They all develop at their individual rate. In Adayar’s first two races this season, commentators said what a grand-looking horse he was and he had the potential, in just physical terms, to be much better as he matured into his frame. Although physical progress is normally slowly paced, mental progress is often surprising. Looking at the Derby video a few times it was noticeable how much more easily Adayar was going than the others as they exited Tattenham Corner into the straight. He seemed to have a lot of energy left. Then he did something you don’t often see; he accelerated twice. His first change of pace was good enough to win the race, when he went past Gear Up on the rails and gradually pulled away from the others. But when he started to come away from the rail Kirby gave him a smack to keep him straight, and soon after he gave him another and Adayar seemed to say “Oh, you want me to go even quicker. OK” and he accelerated even more. The last furlong looked as if the penny had dropped and he realised what fun racing could be. He looked really comfortable, strode out well, showed no signs of stopping (or plodding). Adayar was the only runner to go under 12 seconds in each of the final four furlongs. I think he will be a really top class horse.
June 12, 2021 at 19:21 #1545139Rory delargy no less suspects too many ran below form to give the winner such a high rating. The ground was dead and not many horses stride out on it. On decent ground I’m not sure the same result occurs. Well soon find out in the King George.
June 12, 2021 at 20:22 #1545144The Derby winner going for the King George and last year’s Derby winner going for the Gold Cup. Feels like we have stepped back in time!
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