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    Frenchy15
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    I’ve had a look through the forum, I don’t think anyone has started this one yet, so I will kick it off.

    A bit speculative, but there is a little bit of money for Aiden O’Brien’s Brazil today in the 2.05 Curragh Maiden. It’s over a mile and it’s on heavy ground, so if he were to win this and he needs to on his third start to be considered a Derby horse, then the current standout 100/1 that William Hill are offering won’t last long at all. He is a brother to Irish Derby and St Leger winner Capri and Passion who was placed in this year’s Irish Oaks.

    He hasn’t shown enough on 2 starts this year, but on breeding, no way he should be a 100/1 shot for the Derby. Generally, Aidan’s two-year-olds are not firing at all this season on his standards, which makes me think he’s probably done something a little different with them this year due to the virus and delayed start etc. I’m expecting a few to start to really stand out this month/next month.

    It’s a little bit all or nothing on today though, but I’ll stick him up and let’s see how he gets on!

    Brazil 100/1

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    Frenchy15
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    He went off 7/4JF and stuck it out well to win by a neck. Beat Flying visit by half a length who was beaten a length by High Definition (25/1 for the Derby) last time. Looked heavy going on the ground, be interesting to see where they take him next and whether he has the speed for the Derby. William Hill cut him to 66s, down as low as 33s in some places

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    Mike007
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    I’ll throw a dart at High Definition 25-1 at this stage.

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    Frenchy15
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    High definition, Van Gogh, Wembley and Brazil entered in the Juvenille Stakes for Saturday at the moment from AOB.

    Mac Swinney also entered for Jim Bolger, could be an informative race

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    The Tatling Cheekily
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    ‘Wembley’ is about the least likely name for a Coolmore homebred I can think of.

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    darren83
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    Normally have one for race but not been bowl over by any so far

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    BigGBigG
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    I’ve been checking since his 1st run to see if there was any sign of Latest Generation in
    the Derby betting. He was 3rd behind 2 more experienced short priced types from Stoute
    and Appleby at Sandown 1st time out. I thought it was a hugely promising run. He’s a
    Frankel colt, and the 1st foal of Rizeena who won the Group 1 Moyglare Stud States at
    2 and the Group 1 Coronation Stakes at 3. He is did it the hard way from the front today
    at Doncaster, and when they came at him he quickened away.

    He appeared in the betting for the 1st time today with 3 firms pricing him up. Two
    were 25/1 and one, Bet365 was 50/1. It’s a long way to go, but if he progresses like
    I hope, he might just have a decent chance here.

    Latest generation 50/1 Bet365

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    Mike007
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    High Definition a warm order tomorrow. Pressure is on.

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    Mike987654
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    I am on Latest Generation 50/1, now 33/1 and Derab 50/1. Only small bets but at those price can return a big win.

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    Mike007
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    Blimey. I was about to curse the ride but the horse got him out of trouble. ;-)

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    Cork All Star
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    He does not do anything quickly, does he? But he obviously has an engine and is very willing.

    The Derby distance is clearly going to be right up his street but I would be worried about his seeming lack of tactical speed.

    He clearly acts at the Curragh so is maybe more of an Irish Derby horse?

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    Mike007
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    He’s raw still, connections were talking about looking forward to next year with him after his debut run.

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    Cork All Star
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    O’Brien suggested he will start off next year in the Guineas. You have to respect his chance but he might be vulnerable to something with a turn of foot.

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    Frenchy15
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    Not sure we saw a derby winner there

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    FinalFurlong91
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    The guineas will be a minefield next year with the interruption to the 2yo season this year

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