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    Amedeo well talked up by Aidan his is RP interview..Decent enough read for anyone who hasn’t read it yet.

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    Reading up on the contenders before placing a Leger bet and it seems like I should forget about Amedeo Modigliani.

    I read two quotes from O’Brien, one of them said that the horse will start out in a Derby trial but he may drop back in trip afterwards. The other article had O’Brien quoted as saying he was “Not sure that Amedeo Modigliani will get a mile and a quarter”

    That sets alarm bells ringing for the Derby at as low as 8/1

    The general impression I got was that would like to be further forward with the horse than they are and that they won’t push him to go to races he is not ready for. There was a big suggestion that they wanted to run him again last year but could not do so because of a small setback.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Family Tree.

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    Aiden said Family Tree will start in a Derby Trial but may go to the Irish 2000 Guineas.

    His maiden win has worked out awfully so far. One winner from 18 runs and that was in a Dundalk handicap off 72. That winner has been beaten twice since off 76 and had previously been beaten 20 lengths by Kenya, a stablemate of Family Tree.

    It was heavy when Family Tree won his race and he could still be anything. I don’t get the vibes that he’s a leading light though. Nobody had Wings Of Eagles on their agenda last year though and the trials are sure to throw up a few surprises.

    Good luck.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Imaging is an interesting runner for Dermot Weld at Cork tomorrow.

    On debut last season he travelled very strongly, and victory looked to be in the bag only for a storming late run from the Jessie Harrington trained, The King to gain the upper hand in the final 150 yards.

    Jessie’s horse had the benefit of a run that day, and Imaging showed just how much he himself benefitted from having a run next time out. The O’Brien trained Spanish Steps went off 8/11 fav, but the result was never in doubt. Imaging made all, once again travelling very strongly over the heavy ground, and kicked on to win by a comfortable 10l, staying on well.

    As a son of Oasis Dream, he doesn’t have the typical profile of a Derby horse, but the sire has been capable of producing top class middle-distance performers in the past, most notable the Epsom Oaks second Midday. The dam, Mirror Lake, also stayed 12f herself. Running strongly through the line over 7f on heavy ground, isn’t the same as staying 12f, but he certainly gave the impression he would get a mile at the very least.

    As on October maiden winner, Steve would tell you that he is probably not forward enough for a Guineas, but he did achieve a very respectable figure of 94 for that win. The fact Weld has him out in March would suggest the Guineas are certainly on their minds. He doesn’t actually hold an entry in either race, but he looks a Derby horse to me. Hopefully he puts up a potential Classic performance tomorrow.

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    Have taken 50/1 for Imaging, and 50/1 for Gosden’s Photographer.

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    Well, he certainly did it the hard way.

    He’s a big gross horse, and takes a while to warm up to it, but what gears he showed there. Kevin Ryan was of the opinion that he looked quite big in the paddock, and would come on a lot for whatever he did today.

    I thought the jockey on the runner up caught McDonagh napping, especially knowing he had the benefit of race fitness, but the horse picked up like a Ferrari to get him out of trouble. Perhaps he may have been flattered slightly by the runner-up stopping, but you couldn’t help but be impressed by those gears.

    Although he’s a brilliant mover, his knee action suggests he might prefer soft underfoot conditions. He’s certainly thrived on them thus far. He reminds me a lot of Cracksman in his early days.

    Weld mentioned the Irish Guineas as the target, with the Leopardstown trial en route, but that performance screamed Derby horse to me, the further they went the better he was.

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    It’s the date of the debut run that counts for whether or not a horse is a likely winner of the Guineas.

    The dates when recent Guineas winners made their two year old debuts show that it’s a negative to make your debut late in your first season. It’s quite a strong and clear trend.

    I don’t like the way Imaging moves. He has a very extravagant action and, to my eyes, the leader folded up in front today and was outstayed.

    I think horses with Imaging’s action tend to lack a turn of foot. They don’t seem to lengthen, or quicken, the way a horse with a more natural and relaxed style of movement can.

    Early days but, like Tartini last year, the action puts me off. Weld is the master though, not me.

    It doesn’t sound like Weld would be wanting to go over a mile and a half though and the horse drops to 7F next time for a Guineas Trial.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Steve any views on Crossed Baton yes long way from a derby but won ok and more progress in him after race talk of him going to a trail next

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    Darren, I left a summary on Crossed Baton somewhere on the forum a while ago. Basically he is about a run behind where I would like him to be with Epsom in mind. ie I would like to have seen him doing what he did in his second race on his debut.

    I am of a mind that if Saxon Warrior wins the Guineas, he goes red hot favourite for Epsom, so I can’t back another horse until I see how the Guineas pans out.

    Most years I would have backed a few ante-post at big odds by now but this season I have only done Saxon Warrior, right after his debut, at 33/1. I hope it stays that way, most likely it won’t though.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I thought the tactics on the Hannon horse were wrong. You’d have thought they would have sat behind Crossed Baton and try and do him for speed late on.

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    At Leopardstown tomorrow have decent maiden races a 1m2 where we see GARDENS OF BABYLON who my darkhorse from this yard though AOB runs 3 others to

    And a 3yo fillys maiden where darkhorse filly from yard FOREVER TOGETHER makes her 3yo debut

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    Amazing to think that Christopher Robin, who runs in Gardens Of Babylon’s maiden tomorrow, was once favourite for the Derby in the very early markets for the race. He lines up as 5/1 third favourite for a maiden now. Bit of a comedown that one.

    Heavy ground tomorrow and it’s tight between the first two in the market for favourite. Darren’s horse just shades it for now.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Gardens of Babylon opened at 7/2 this evening, and was backed into 5/4 in the space of about 20 minutes. Tomorrow sounds like a foregone conclusion to me.

    Aidan gave him a brief mention in his stable tour last month, saying he was pleasing them at home and should make up into Group class.

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    Meeting abandoned sadly.

    I think Ireland and France have both been reclaimed by the sea it seems.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Rabdan is a horse causing a bit of a stir on the Tweet machine, after his 9l romp at Saint-Cloud on Monday.

    By Frankel and out of a mare by the Kentucky Derby winner, Thunder Gulch, he has a middle distance pedigree, and he saw out the 12f trip authoritatively.

    The big chestnut is a lovely mover, with a very similar gait to that of his sire, and he gave me the impression that he would improve for better ground. On what was described as ‘VERY HEAVY’ ground, he moved through the gears effortlessly, putting the race to bed in a matter of strides.

    He held entries in the Prix Du Jockey Club and the Grand Prix de Paris prior to his win on Monday, but since then connections have paid the £9k entry fee for the Epsom Derby.

    Although trained by a master in Andre Fabre, and with a purple pedigree to boot, 25/1 does look poor value for an April maiden winner. Foaled in late March, he shouldn’t have any advantage in that department either. I don’t know the stats, but I imagine they are firmly against him. I’m sure the Frankel effect doesn’t help his price.

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    The Pentagon was a huge disappointment in the Ballysax. I had been shaking my head seeing him at 8/1 for Epsom Derby and you can have double that now.

    Amedeo Modigliani is now the silly priced one for me, after O’Brien said he was unsure he would get a mile and a quarter, never mind the Derby trip.

    Gustav Klimt is a terrible price as well.

    This will be Saxon Warrior’s to lose if he wins the Guineas.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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