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fanatic filly as we all know I think 100% she will race on as a 4yo for the simple fact there going to find it tough as a broadmare they can’t go to Galileo, frankel, sea the stars, there other in house stallions are no where near good enough to cover her so the question is who will they go to cover Enable?
Dubawi, Dark Angel. I would go for Sir Percy myself. Wing breeding to Shirley Heights and minimal crossing to Northern Dancer.
https://sporthorse-data.com/testmating?sireid=10435755&horse_id=11279408
Golden Horn would be possible and I suppose and you could do an incestuous cross to Frankel.
Dubawi and his sons seem the safe bet. A trip to the USA as there has been less dependency on Northern Dancer over there.
Illustrating what will be a growing problem. As anyone noticed that nearly half the horses racing vert strongly resemble Northern Dancer now? The videos of Book 1 at Tatts illustrates this very well.
Might consider Lope de Vega or Shamardal. Postponed could also be an option (though they might want to see how he does with his first crops). If they want to stick with Juddmonte stallions, Kingman doesn’t have too much ND, or she may go to America to meet Mizzen Mast. You’re right though Crepello. It’s getting harder to find options
If Enable does race on as a four year old then what are the chances of her taking on Cracksman?
An interesting area of speculation …
Enable is 3×2 to Sadlers Wells and has an inbreeding coefficient (> 8%) that is at the very top end of what is the current range for runners in the English classics. Going to Frankel would elevate that coefficient to > 11% in a resultant foal. Good breeding practice would be to ‘go out’ with a mare with a pedigree like this (meaning as much of an outcross as is possible). This has the effect of reducing the coefficient.
So, what I’d like to see happen is that Enable went to stallions that are as free as possible of ND and Mr P. Sir Percy is one I like too Crepello. Others I’d mention are Le Havre and Dabirsim. Another that interests me is Almanzor, who – whilst not free of them – offers a more diluted option, and who had the devastating turn of foot/10f speed that she lacks. Another that I’m keeping an eye on is Sea the Moon. I’d also be thinking ‘left field’. In much the same ways that top class sprint mares (with outcross pedigrees) have been sourced to go to Galileo, perhaps it might pay to think the reverse with the top-flight mares from this line? I can’t see it happening as this is at the ‘commercial’ end of the market – but Equiano, or (in the bargain basement) Fountain of Youth.
What is much more likely is that Enable will go to Juddmonte’s own stallions, at least in the first instance. I suspect that top of the list will be Dansili as the full sister to Concentric (Enable’ s dam) produced Flintshire to Dansili. Concentric herself has had three progeny by Dansili (including a 2yo colt, Centroid, with JG & a yearling filly). Putting Enable to Dansili, though, is to do the well-worn Danehill X Galileo cross in the reverse way to Frankel. Now Dansili is getting on. He is 21 now – so that is something that will be being factored into the ‘will she/won’t she stay in training’ decision. Beyond that, the other obvious Juddmonte candidate will surely be Arrogate?
It will be interesting to see how the likes of September and Saxon Warrior progress from 2 to 3, as if the results are positive I can see Deep Impact becoming a major player in the European breeding scene.
Whilst he wouldn’t be a total outcross, he only shares a modicum of blood with the Northern Dancer line and would acceptably reduce the inbreeding coefficient I imagine.
On the topic of Almanzour I can’t see it happening, at least not in the first instance. He is a completely unproven stallion and his own pedigree is nothing special. A great racehorse doesn’t always carry his talent over to the breeding sheds.
BUT he is an interesting one for sure, and I think he might just prove to be a successful sire. His bloodline has a few elements that I think could prove beneficial to his stallion career, as I outlined in the Minding thread. He could be one for the future, but probably not straight away.
Mizzen Mast and Arrogate would both be good choices. I do think a first covering might be by Dansili though, okay there will be about 8 ND crosses, off the top of my head, but I think it will make sense to use him while the going is good. Personally I would outcross as an owner breeder, because more crosses are going to make it even harder to breed from the next filly.
I think there is also a possibility of them sending her to a fast horse such as Dark Angel, who has minimal ND or Kodiac, who will provide two additional crosses to Natalma, he looks like a stallion who will get runners of varying distances given the right mares, as in Green Desert or Mustang.
Breeding is all very well but id rather watch horses race than speculate on their ******
i sometimes wonder if its all a bit pervy
One thing I noticed from the pre parade is that Enable is very muscular for a middle distance horse in her hind quarters. Don’t think she had quite that definition earlier in the year- maybe they have been feeding her the magic oats?
For me the breeding is more interesting than the racing in many cases. It is totally fascinating once you get to know about all the blood lines and not in the least pervy. It always amazes me how little some bettors know about the breeding of the horses who are carrying their money and how it would often help if they did learn the rudimenteries. For instance you can often rule a good few horses out of the classics on their breeding alone.
Kingman? Maybe Oasis Dream but personally I think Cape Cross would be a good shout.
I know many are looking forward to see the great filly perhaps train on to try and win another Arc but I’m just as excited at the possibility of seeing her try and do what her father only just failed to do and win the King George twice. If she does it’ll be neatly timed as Swain was the last horse to do it in 1997 and 1998; exactly 20 years before Enable’s possible 2 successive victories.
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