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Quote: from Aidan on 8:23 pm on Mar. 10, 2007
Any responsibilities to the breeders Ven? What would you have done?<br>
I’d have done what other stallion owners do when the horse proves infertile, or dies shortly into the covering season (as so often happens), namely, apologise and return any booking/covering fees already paid.
Thats probably true as well TDK…couldnt see him challenging Teofilo this year and he always looked like a two year old to me who wouldnt progress that much.
s**t
happens. The breeders whose mares wouldn’t have got covered by GW would have to live with it & try to find a place with another stallion.Coolmore’s decision to retire one of the top 2yo’s of last season, not because he was injured, but to take the place of an infertile stallion, is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in 20 years of being involved in racing.
Greed is slowly killing this game.
The risks probably out weigh the rewards but no reason why Holy Roman Emperor couldn’t do his stud duty and then return to training. Gentleman’s Deal covered 35 mares during his sabbatical between April and September last year.
As Trackside says it makes you wonder if Holy Roman Emperor had trained on, (despite what O’Brien says).
To retire a fully fit, raring to go three year old who is second favourite for the Guineas is barmy, something doesn’t really seem right here.
Quote: from davidjohnson on 10:21 pm on Mar. 10, 2007[br]The risks probably out weigh the rewards but no reason why Holy Roman Emperor couldn’t do his stud duty and then return to training. Gentleman’s Deal covered 35 mares during his sabbatical between April and September last year.
<br>I couldn’t agree more, So what if Coolmore had to let down a few clients. What would they have done, boycotted Coolmore because of it – I don’t think so.
The flat season hasn’t even started yet and already I’m fed up with it. Gutted. Any true racing fan must feel the same<br>
Quote: from Aidan on 8:15 pm on Mar. 10, 2007[br]Ok Paul and Lingfield….your John Magnier…what would you tell the 100 breeders who have booked your stallion for the up coming season to do?  As Sal says Danehill Dancer and Oratario and co will all be booked up at this stage…so what would you do…tell them to p**s<br> off?<br>
Eh…why not? Either way, it does highlight how ridiculous the sport can be.
SHL
<br>Coolmore also have Teofilo<br>
no they dont its a rumour which the daily express repeated and had to publish a retraction and apology to all parties
they may get him in the future but at present they have no interest either in his racing or future stud career
It’s a a bit like having a team getting ready for the premiership and your striker’s soul being taken away. He was by far our best horse, the others have to make the jump still. He handled all types of ground, he ran in the Dewhurst on soft when we were nearly not going to run him. He got into traffic trouble on soft ground and still only just got beat and looked very unlucky.
He might be gutted, but O’Brien never misses an opportunity to get his hype in.
I was really looking forward to seeing how good HRE would be as a 3yo and the idea that he and Teo might turn into superstars was one of the most appealing features of a coming flat season where really outstanding horses look thin on the ground.
Steve
I remember many years ago there was a lot of controversy about Caerleon ducking the Leger. Tony Morris wrote a piece and argued that you should simply work on the basis that the horse would have been beaten if he’d run. That’s the view to take regarding Holy Roman Emperor and the Guineas. He would have been much more valuable if he’d won that race. This decision tells us he wasn’t going to do so.
It’s interesting that he worked "brilliantly" in a piece of work in early March. Old habits die hard.
Looking at it from the breeders perspective, you’ve got to remember that it is already the breeding season.  Most of the mares booked for George will already have arrived at Coolmore, most heavily in foal or will have just foaled.  This is not the time to be transferring them around the country.  If Coolmore don’t have any stallions on their stud available to service the mares then it is likely those mares will have a blank year, or an extremely late unfavourable covering.  Those that can successfully transfer to other stallions are, of course, then going to the opposition.
This is not just about Coolmore losing this year’s fees for George – it is about messing breeders around and losing a great deal in goodwill.  A stallion death just has to be accepted, but breeders would be right to be p**s
ed off being sold a brand-new super stallion only to find at the last minute he is a jaffa.One of my clients has 3 nice mares booked to George, one of them a late transfer when being persuaded to switch from Oratorio. For small commercial stud to be forced into 3 ‘no returns’ in a year is a disaster and I can see why Coolmore is determined to avoid all the bad PR with the mare owners.
Doesn’t mean that HRE isn’t a great shame though, and just goes to show that packing ROG off to Japan was a bad idea.  The craze for unproven stallions is bound to have repercussions.
Old George eh? We all thought he was a huge superstar whose antics were simply a by-product of all that talent.
In reality he was just a big mincing fairy!!
The only gay in Coolmore.
Old George eh? We all thought he was a huge superstar whose antics were simply a by-product of all that talent.
In reality he was just a big mincing fairy!!
All his antics were just him getting turned on by the other colts?
Good news for Jackane as, now he knows that GW is gay, he’s finally got a chance of consumating his infatuation with him!
Steve
I think Sal’s last post sums it up perfectly. Its because Coolmore run their BUSINESS so brilliantly we get to see such fantastic and exciting horses at the races year in year out.
Interestingly of the 17 horses O’Brien has ran 6 times or more as 2yo’s (HRE ran 7 times as a 2yo) since 2000 only 2 of them went on to win Group 1 races as 3yo’s Rock of Gibraltar and Oratario.
One of my clients has 3 nice mares booked to George, one of them a late transfer when being persuaded to switch from Oratorio. For small commercial stud to be forced into 3 ‘no returns’ in a year is a disaster
This is going to sound a little harsh, but I think that would be a consequence of their own stupidity.
The idea that it’s dangerous to "put all your eggs in one basket" is time proven in both life and business.
If they choose to ignore that advice and gamble on their future then it’s on their heads.
I don’t see why racing should be poorer just to save their necks and the necks of those like them.
Steve
If they were stupid enough to send three mares to a first season sire then it serves them right.
One of the points a breeder has to take in to consideration when sending a mare to a new stallion is that he is unproven in every way. If he fails to fire then tough s**t
-you get your money back and try again next year.<br>(Edited by Bilko at 11:28 am on Mar. 11, 2007)
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