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Some people will defend anything to do with Coolmore, Clivex. You get it a lot on this forum.
Did you start this thread just for everyone to say "I agree"?
Gareth – you are clutching a straws now. Forget the semantics
I’m sure that when you wrote what you did, you were only intending to refer to Dylan Thomas. It’s not a problem, but I’d hope you can see how your point could be read.
Gareth – you are clutching a straws now. Forget the semantics – it was an appalling piece of campaigning from Coolmore running him in the BC and HK.
End of story.
TDK, i agree running a horse that looks in foal is crackers and connections should be ashamed , but there was nothing wrong in running DT at Monmouth, just like nothing wrong with running GW in Classic
Connections walked course according Mark Johnston and he reported that they took the view the ground was Good to Soft and DT takes his chance
They got their going estimate wrong and i don’t think they should be slagged off for that m8
Charlie- it is fair to say that running in HK was just plain stupid whereas the BC was debatable….
KT – Aidan O’Brien is quoted in today’s paper as saying
" He was way overweight. He looked as big as a bull, he looked huge…."That suggests to me he was perhaps a bit on the large side?
I think you’ll find that those comments were describing DT when he came out of quarantine not on raceday.
“He got caught in quarantine for a long while and he got back heavy,â€
"There was nothing we could do about it" coupled with the sumoesque appearance in teh paddock suggests he was in a similar state on raceday.
Anyone know if the stroies that the horse returned distressed, virtually on the point of tears after forced to suffer a barrage of ‘Who ate all the hay’ jibes by his contempories are true or not?
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Gareth,
Can I ask if you have any link, official or not, with Coolmore or Ballydoyle?
Andrew
Gareth,
Can I ask if you have any link, official or not, with Coolmore or Ballydoyle?
Andrew
Gareth, this is the topic i posted in. Based on your responses above, which seem will favour Ballydoyle/Coolmore no matter how well made or articulate criticisms are, it seems an obvious question to ask.
Otherwise, why would you defend the indefensible?
If we are to judge by results (and what else is there really) , then Andrew is right. Its been a total …..flop…
One last well targeted Group one could have been there for the taking
For what its worth, i thought his Arc run was a bit below his best form and was possibly a sign that he needed a break. It was a great ride that got him home.
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For what its worth, i thought his Arc run was a bit below his best form and was possibly a sign that he needed a break. It was a great ride that got him home.
Clivex
If you can accept that the horse won the Arc despite the ground, then his taking part at Monmouth shouldn’t need any justification?Gareth,
Indefensible to me is running Dylan Thomas on a figure 8 track in a bog, and running him when he was very much over racing weight in Hong Kong.
Don’t take it too personally, but your posts do indicate a heavy interest/bias towards Coolmore/Ballydoyle, and I was wondering the reasons behind that.
Indefensible to me is running Dylan Thomas on a figure 8 track in a bog,
I have no idea what you mean by a “figure 8 track” in the context of this.
If you seriously consider that running Dylan Thomas, the world’s best 12f horse, in one of the biggest international 12f races of the season, to be an indefensible decision just because the ground and track configuration was unlikely to suit… well, I can’t do much other than completely disagree with you and trust that I’m not the only one here who finds that OTT.
(Seriously, you really think it was indefensible? I’m honestly amazed.)
and running him when he was very much over racing weight in Hong Kong.
I haven’t defended that. In fact I haven’t offered any opinion in this thread on the rights and wrongs of running the horse on Sunday morning.
Don’t take it too personally
You’re the one trying to make it personal. Just argue the actual points being made. That’s what we’re here for, right?
the world’s best 12f horse, in one of the biggest international 12f races of the season, to be an indefensible decision just because the ground and track configuration was unlikely to suit.
Yes. When there are obviously better options, in terms of the track, going and (perhaps most importantly) the time needed to recover after a long season. Thats the whole point of this thread.
If the BC was the only remaining grp 1 in the autumn, then fair enough maybe. But it wasnt
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