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I don’t expect to be in the majority here with my view but once a horse enters the stalls then its in the race as far as I’m concerned as its under orders. If it doesn’t come out of the stalls thats tough – its all part of the excercise. Same over jumps once the horse lines up thats it, if it doesn’t get itself going its something that you should just have to live with.
You usually have an idea of problem horses. I’d get very annoyed if I’d backed a horse, got my price then its hit with a rule 4 because another horse I’ve discounted decided it didn’t want to run.
I backed spectait with prime defender and greylami cost me over 500pound so am feeling a bit miffed just have to be happy with 100 or so, it is a bit galling the horse reared just before stalls opened not as though he just stood there a well never mind, not too bad a start to flat.
Just adds fuel to the dodgy stereotypes applied to racing. I love racing but as far as trusting the sport i’d rather leave Uri Geller in charge of a priceless cutlery set.
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I backed Don’t Panic and I don’t feel hard done by at all. Of course he crossed the starting line…he was in the stalls when they opened!
When was the starting line moved from in front of the horses?
The point is, db, that someone has to draw a line in the sand somewhere and, far too often recently, that line is drawn 5 to15 lengths away from the start-line; one suspects more in the interests of not losing betting turmover than in any sense of equity?Why should people who did their homework and factored in the possibility of Don’t Panic staying put, lose out with a Rule 4?
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Why should people who did their homework and factored in the possibility of Don’t Panic staying put, lose out with a Rule 4?
Would their perspicacity have also told them that Spectait was about to rear over backwards, PC?
Suppose some peeps will want their money back if a horse misses the break and gets left 10 lengths
if you come under orders you are a runner, bit different to the horse that reared up, think jock took blind off too soonWould their perspicacity have also told them that Spectait was about to rear over backwards, PC?
But like a horse falling at the first, refusing at the second or running out like Ebadiyan at Cheltenham that was during the race, if it hadn’t have been he would have been withdrawn before the race started.
Peter Thomas covers the issue very well in his column today on page 16 of the Racing Post.
Maybe, as he says, anyone overly concerned about the issue and isn’t prepared to take the risk isn’t really cut out for the game and should use their money for something else.Would their perspicacity have also told them that Spectait was about to rear over backwards, PC?
No, but there’s always a chance that a horse might jink coming out of the stalls and unseat it’s rider. Would that be considered different to rearing in the stalls?
What would happen if a horse ambles out of the stalls and stops after ten yards?
If you bet seriously you have to factor in a percentage allowance for the unexpected. With Don’t Panic there was at least some previous to consider.
Rob
Would their perspicacity have also told them that Spectait was about to rear over backwards, PC?
If you bet seriously you have to factor in a percentage allowance for the unexpected. With Don’t Panic there was at least some previous to consider.
Rob
If you bet seriously, how many actually do? against the multitude that don’t.
Spectait backers were unfortunate – just as backers of a 1st fence faller are. Don’t Panic backers were not unfortunate.
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But like a horse falling at the first, refusing at the second or running out like Ebadiyan at Cheltenham that was during the race, if it hadn’t have been he would have been withdrawn before the race started.
Peter Thomas covers the issue very well in his column today on page 16 of the Racing Post.
Maybe, as he says, anyone overly concerned about the issue and isn’t prepared to take the risk isn’t really cut out for the game and should use their money for something else.But in all the above instances, the horses crossed the starting line, which means they were actually in the race, Spectait and Don’t Panic didn’t and weren’t.
It is not just a question of money, (the only ones guaranteed to benefit from the current rule are the levy collectors), but of what is fair, which Peter Thomas might ignore, but thousands of disgruntled punters won’t.If you bet seriously, how many actually do? against the multitude that don’t.
UN
True, but as I inferred earlier in my post, but regardless of that the rules have to draw the line somewhere.
What would you do if a horse runs 20 yards and then ditches it’s rider, or if it trots 50 yards and then stops? Both of these have happened in the past, and numerous variations on the same theme.
How long would you give a horse to come out of the stalls before it’s a non-runner.
There’s a lot of indignation on this thread, but I don’t see a lot of definitive ideas for a different rule. You have to cover all variations of ‘refused to race’ including downing tools soon after the start. The current rule isn’t perfect, but at least we know that if a horse lines up it’s a runner, whereas I can’t see an foolproof way of dividing up runners/non-runners otherwise.
Rob
They were at some stage in the race, S & DP weren’t. Horses with known quirks shouldn’t be on a racecourse, they could be considered dangerous. It’s difficult, but it looks so bad, two of the best handicaps on the day with two Fancied runners! It’s very bad PR not that i’m into that ****. There must be a sensible way of sorting this out in both codes. Surely bookies could give a free bets to limited stakes to keep the public happy. The authorities have to be harsher on problem horses too.
Horses with known quirks shouldn’t be on a racecourse, they could be considered dangerous.
UN
Agreed, but that could only apply to repeat offenders, how do you deal with first time offenders? As far as know Spectait hadn’t done anything odd at the start before, even if Don’t Panic had.
Natiain dug his heels in at the start at Kelso recently without any ‘previous’.
Define a ‘known quirk’ that would require a ban from the racecourse. How many times does a ‘quirk’ have to happen before it becomes ‘known’.
Rob
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There is a very simple and equitable solution. If a horse doesn’t cross the starting line (Be that the front door of the stalls, the barrier, or some guy with a flag), then it hasn’t started the race, and is therefore deemed a non-runner.
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