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That’s the only problem I suppose, but do you expect the average punter to be paying any attention to them?
Do you calculate your own sectionals then?
I don’t expect the "average punter" to take any notice at all HFC, problem is the average punter is only half way down the Punters League Table, and only the top three win enough points to earn a profit. Once the top half of the table understand the importance of sectional times it will be more difficult to finish in that top three.
Only calculate my own Sectionals occasionally. Problem is once a significant minority of punters understand "Sectionals" they will also understand the importance of "Pace" (two go hand in hand). I believe "Probable Pace Bias" plays a big part in my edge. Predicting if a race will be strongly or slowly run and backing horses likely to be suited by it. ie Their pace advantage is not taken in to account by the betting market. Aquilonius 43/1 and Miracle Of Medinah 33/1 to name but two last year.
Value Is EverythingI don’t expect the "average punter" to take any notice at all HFC, problem is the average punter is only half way down the Punters League Table, and only the top three win enough points to earn a profit. Once the top half of the table understand the importance of sectional times it will be more difficult to finish in that top three.
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Of more interest than sectionals Gingertipster is how, with you being such a successful punter you get bets on?
As all bookmakers have all shown themselves to have no interest in taking decent bets from punters with knowledge let alone successful ones how do you continually manage to get on?
Presumably you will also be paying the premium charge with Betfair?
That’s the only problem I suppose, but do you expect the average punter to be paying any attention to them?
Do you calculate your own sectionals then?
I don’t expect the "average punter" to take any notice at all HFC, problem is the average punter is only half way down the Punters League Table, and only the top three win enough points to earn a profit. Once the top half of the table understand the importance of sectional times it will be more difficult to finish in that top three.
Only calculate my own Sectionals occasionally. Problem is once a significant minority of punters understand "Sectionals" they will also understand the importance of "Pace" (two go hand in hand). I believe "Probable Pace Bias" plays a big part in my edge. Predicting if a race will be strongly or slowly run and backing horses likely to be suited by it. ie Their pace advantage is not taken in to account by the betting market. Aquilonius 43/1 and Miracle Of Medinah 33/1 to name but two last year.
Ginge,should you ever decide to buy a Racehorse with your patronising remarks…….I mean Winnings,call it "Probable Pace Bias" or even "Stating the obvious".
Ginge,should you ever decide to buy a Racehorse with your patronising remarks…….I mean Winnings,call it "Probable Pace Bias" or even "Stating the obvious".
There will always be those on TRF that know these things and may find me writing in this way "patronising" Gord, others may not know and therefore not find it patronising. Then there are those who realise they should know about things and/or have an ulterior motive so
claim
it to be "patronising".
It is obvious from comments made on this and other threads recently that many do not understand the importnce of sectional times and pace. I suggest they read Simon Rowlands excellent Timeform/betfair features; actually on second thoughts, please don’t. The fewer who understand the better for me.
Value Is EverythingThis thread has convinced me to bet more often on the AW. But here’s the thing: surely if AW is worth betting on, dog racing should also be worth following. I had always assumed dogs racing for £50 would be a bit dodgy but maybe by using the sectional times etc you can do quite well.
It is obvious from comments made on this and other threads recently that many do not understand the importnce of sectional times and pace. I suggest they read Simon Rowlands excellent Timeform/betfair features; actually on second thoughts, please don’t. The fewer who understand the better for me.
Funnily enough I was talking to James ‘the legend’ Willoughby about Sectionals last night,he admits to being obsessed with the Clock,bit like you are obsessed with betting every horse in a bloody race and he agrees with me that the Clock never lies.To suggest that many on here cant tell the time yet again confirms you are a condescending twit,thats Twit with an ‘A’ in it,which to you is at!
Sectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop,if the first furlong is an absolute crawl then Sectionals for the remainder of the race are totally irrelevant in assessing time figures.The most crucial part of any race is the last 3 furlongs thats where the pace factor is crucial and the faster this figure the better for future comparisons.Time is easily the best way to instantly check a races strength in depth.Poor horses dont clock fast times,simple as yourself that one!
Seeing how this thread is about Donkeys running on Sand then using the old Egg timer is about all you need to assess Sectionals there as no 2 horses can run the same race twice.Like Ricky says its a farce and is as honest as a politicians Tax return.Sectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop,
If you want to believe that Gordie Boy, suits me just fine.
I thought you’d know better than this "twat".
Value Is EverythingSectional timing is only relevant in races run at a true gallop,
If you want to believe that Gordie Boy, suits me just fine.
I thought you’d know better than this "twat".
Ginge,I can expose your frailties everytime you post. For someone who takes ‘Sectionals’ seriously explain why you have to back so many horses in one race then? The Clock will only give credence to a couple of horses chances in any given race,your 10 selections in a 9 horse race haven’t even been assessed by times as collateral form for those selections again has no relevance to the clock purely for the fact that the more horses you bet on the less you are relying on individual times as you are just scattering variables all over the place.Trying to divulge your ‘secrets’ through a Clockface only confirms yet again that you will clutch at straws to come across as this so called Professional with an edge.Any Professional journalist who’s a serious Clock watcher will find one,maybe 2 horses in a race that stand out on time and they will put them up,you of course have half the bloody field!
Your ‘Edge’ is painting by numbers,nothing more,nothing less.
Just to make it even simpler its like putting 20 marbles in a bag there’s only one ‘Taw'(Winner)and we both want it,I’m allowed 2 goes at finding it by putting my hand in and feeling around you are allowed 18 goes………..And yet there’s times you still dont win!!My average number of bets per race is
3
and that’s including saver bets. You’re Exaggerating for your own jealous reasons again.
Even when you back two horses Gordie Boy, you are having
4
bets, two main win bets and two saver place bets. You’re a hypocrite, a green hypocrite.
Value Is EverythingBacking three or more in a race, win only, is knowingly backing two losers with the distinct possibility of all three losing.
It’s ‘dithering’ dressed up as a racing system.Ginge ….frailties abound …next time you back 3 horses in a 6 runner race at Kempton et al , you will be lucky to have one of them in the first 3 ….why ???
because form means nothing
because the winners are predetermined in the Jockeys room
because the winners are set up beforehand
because they can get away with it all of the time
why ??
the levy is based on losers like you . ~(no offence) and losing is good
Leave it alone ….you have no chance
in my opinion
Ricky
I reckon Gingertipster could be a bluffer, according to himself he is a highly successful punter, with knowledge of the form book, speed figures etc second to none but I’ve never heard him mention of having any problems getting on with bookmakers, he even boasts about getting bog for his bets
He must be unique, maybe he marks their card for the bookmakers
Backing three or more in a race, win only, is knowingly backing two losers with the distinct possibility of all three losing.
It’s ‘dithering’ dressed up as a racing system.It must be "dithering" that works then Woolfie.
Have you ever visited my DLAP thread?
Unfortunately like TAPK, you are ignorant when it comes to understanding percentages, therefore you would think that way.I’ll try once more.
If I think three horses each have a 20% (fair 4/1) chance of winning and they are all available @ 5/1 (16.6 reccuring%)… Then by backing all three I’d be choosing to back something I believe has a 20% x 3 = 60%
fair 4/6 @ Even money
3 x 16.6 recurring = 50%. A difference (60 – 50 = 10) of
10%
.
Where as if I’d just backed one of those three horses I’d be backing something I believed a 20% chance with a 16.6 recurring chance just a
3.3
reccurring% better than what I believe is the fair chance… Sorry for the recurring nightmare.
1 point @ 5/1 loser
1 point @ 5/1 loser
1 point @ 5/1 winner.
Stake on race 3 points, return 6 points, profit 3 points.The mistake you make Woolfie is in believing a punter is taking 5/1 when backing those three horses, he/she is not. Forget about the 5/1, the "bet" is
all
three horses added up. Just the same as anyone backing
one
horse @ Evens. I am taking Evens about what I see as a fair 4/6.
If (and only if) I can find three horses who I believe are value in a race, then my own preference is to have a margin of error of 10% rather than 3.3%. But of course a punter needs to be good at evaluating form when betting like this, if the punter is no good at evaluating form then backing three in a race will in time only mean losing more money than he/she would by backing one.
Not to say there is anything wrong with backing just the one horse. Each to his own and all that… Many people are very successful backing one horse, it’s what suits the individual punter that counts. Some particularly patient punters will wait and only bet once in a while; when they see one horse with an (in his/her opinion) 10+% better chance. But those bets don’t come along very often and my own preference is to bet in more races than that would allow.
Value Is Everythingbecause the winners are predetermined in the Jockeys room
Ricky, those jockeys are better than WWWE Wrestlers to put on those photo’s finishes the way they do.
Blackbeard to conquer the World
Can we be respectful of each other’s opinions (and each other), even if we don’t always agree, please. Ta.
Ginge …no disrespect ..and no offence , I can see your reasoning , and if it works then good on ya …I have doubts though
Thing is on the AW , the rules change , form goes west , most of the races are run for 2000 quid , now ask yourself this ,how do they manage to keep going for those small amounts …with training costs averaging 25 grand a year ?????
yep you have got it….they make the costs by bending the races
your value to form theory then goes bang …crash …wallop
simples
IMO
Oh Yes …Ken knows 3 blokes who make it pay …sectional times et al ….fine …well done Ken and good on ya …
.but
Cav ,,,,trots out the same tired stats ..and a few potless insults to irritate , fine also/// Insults should be taken as compliments from those who know no better ….
But
who is going to tackle the bending of races , who is going to address the meat of the thread , without brushing it under the carpet and trotting out meaningless pap !!!!
Yep …..keep losing its what the bookies and the BHA want
Imo
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