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Ricky,
The evidence points to an AW claimer being an AW claimer, regardless of the country. Sean Curran claimed the winner of a Kempton claimer earlier this year for ten grand, sent it to Deauville to win a French claimer and got most of his purchase price back in prize money. But the French punters weren’t fooled and it went off 2/1 fav at Deauville.
Gay Kelleway sent a 47 rated donkey that had just finished 3rd of 5 in a Yarmouth seller to France and it won a Chantilly claimer over there.
The horses are the same, it’s just the prize money is better and they don’t put on six or seven 0-60 handicaps and call it a race meeting.
As much as anything the problem with AW racing here is the total lack of imagination used in setting the program of races.
I recall reading the confessions of a retiring Scottish jockey some fifteen years ago where he described how at evening meetings he and his fellow jockeys would agree before a race on which horse would be allowed to win.
Crikey. Who was that?
Mike
Can’t remember his name, clearly a member of the scumbag class.
No, you never can…
Mike
Champions Day should be at Wolverhampton. (And maybe the St. Leger should be on all weather too.)
the horses are the same, it’s just the prize money is better and they don’t put on six or seven 0-60 handicaps and call it a race meeting.
As much as anything the problem with AW racing here is the total lack of imagination used in setting the program of races.
Agree with this entirely , I knew about the Gay Kelleway nag winning and well done to you Gay…as always at least 3 steps ahead
How about a typical Kempton meeting , 3 0/50 /55 3 0/60/65 1 0/70 and perhaps 1 0/85 ….dont get me started on the rest of the Dross ..offered by the ARC mob
Imo
Good post Alan
ricky
Stop me if I’m wrong, but I’ve been reading your TRF contributions for a few years now and I get the impression you aren’t over enthusiastic about All-Weather racing.
Rob
the horses are the same, it’s just the prize money is better and they don’t put on six or seven 0-60 handicaps and call it a race meeting.
As much as anything the problem with AW racing here is the total lack of imagination used in setting the program of races.
Agree with this entirely , I knew about the Gay Kelleway nag winning and well done to you Gay…as always at least 3 steps ahead
How about a typical Kempton meeting , 3 0/50 /55 3 0/60/65 1 0/70 and perhaps 1 0/85 ….dont get me started on the rest of the Dross ..offered by the ARC mob
Imo
Good post Alan
So if there is more money, mixed codes (AW and Turf) and/or better racing Ricky; am I right you’d be in favour of AW racing?
Value Is EverythingRob ./ Ginger
Rob . I laughed..but in truth the present set up is a joke , if we had something like France , dual codes , decent prize money , more integrity , good horses …delete class 6 and 7 , …really enforce the stringent arm of the regulator’s rules , for any monkey business , like minimum bans of 5 years and max bans of lifetime …then we might be getting somewhere ….I would support it
Integrity that reviews each race on the markets plus the behaviour of the horses that are most supported and or laid to lose , how the jockeys rode it , how the track bias was working , how much effort was made to win , and how much effort was made to lose
When this becomes the norm , then and only then would I advocate and or support it
Dreams though hardly ever materialise …..
We will have dross racing plus all the trickery that aligns it as long as we have the present set up , as long as the bookies call the shots on fixtures , the shots on AW tracks , the shots on the entire racing programme ….in the short to medium term I do not envisage any change , so I am totally against it
Ask me when we have the racing programme in para 1 …..somehow I doubt that will ever happen …or ask me when we have a review / stewarding process that really works , its pretty relaxed at the present time , because losing means more levy , winning means less ….it might just be that we need a total overhaul in stewarding …but that’s another topic …
IMO
Strange thing is Ricky, we’re not that far apart on this now.
We are both for getting rid of Class 7 and improving the overall standard of AW racing.
Although there is no evidence the problem is as bad as you make out, of course we both would like to see an improvement in stewarding.
But it is not going to happen overnight and the Good Friday card is a step in the right direction. Suspect the races will be upgraded to listed quality soon.
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Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Ken knows 2 blokes and a name dropper who may make cash on the AW,….the bookies know 300 thousand who lose on a regular basis …you have to do better son !!!
Ginger , is behaving like a schoolboy who refuses to have cheese sandwiches for lunch … will ignore
Alan I daresay the AW races in France are a damn site better than ours , but in truth I dont know much about them
What is scary for me is that there will be more of this crap sanctioned in the near future
I urge you to boycott it
ps Drone and Mike I have upgraded you both to class 5 grinders ///….keep up chaps
in my opinion of course
I see you’ve lost another packet on the AW Ricky. Just leave them alone. During April – October last year the AW tracks were only responsible for just over 17% of fixtures so you had a healthy 83% of fixtures to concentrate on and if you concentrated on the better class races you only had to figure out which ones Al Zarooni hadn’t needled.
Heaven forbid our top trainers boycott the AW, they’d have nowhere to run a good amount of their horses.
If you can rely on the Racing Post then over the last five years most of the top trainers have had a healthy percentage of their runners on the AW
Gosden 27%
Hannon 21%
Johnston 27%
Haggas 21%
Appleby 32%
Bin Suroor 20%
Balding 29%Even the great Sir Michael Stoute has had 16% of his runners on the AW. You must be calling for him to have his knighthood revoked due to the temerity of the man for running his horses on the AW. I look forward to you copying us in on the letter(s) you send to all of the above telling them that they as they run their horses on the AW they must be as you have quoted "bent from start to finish."
All IMO of course
Aron
as always you talk a pile of shite
the fixture list for 2013 as a whole had 30 per cent AW
who cares which trainer ran where
your argument is as always fragnmented and puerile
Get a grip man
imo
Are you on the strong stuff this early Ricky?
Or has a losing bet changed your mood again?Aron made some good points.
Why not just answer people’s questions/posts with clear logic, instead of insulting them?
I apologise for the first two lines, it’s what you tend to get back when sinking so low.
Value Is EverythingAron
as always you talk a pile of shite
the fixture list for 2013 as a whole had 30 per cent AW
who cares which trainer ran where
your argument is as always fragnmented and puerile
Get a grip man
imo
And as always you don’t fail to deliver
. You are right, as a whole AW was responsible for 30% however if you care to read the post properly you will see I have specifically put April to October to give a comparison with when turf flat racing mainly takes place. Surely if top trainers have a reasonable percentage of their runners on the AW this intimates that they have no issues with the integrity of doing so? I could be wrong, maybe you could enlighten me?Don’t worry about Ricky’s style of answering posts Ginger, he has a habit of being wrong and resorting to playground tactics even to the ones he loves.
As for getting a grip Ricky, we’ve been there before on another thread I believe and you ended up calling me nasty
The Craven was fantastic today ….proper racing
DONT BET ON THE AW ,,,BOYCOTT
IT …its bent through and through
As for you guys I am not biting , if you want to do school ground stuff go right ahead
Knock yourself out …..and yes My figures were right , your childish argument Aron was just laughable
Case Proven ……
imo
I think Ricky’s in a sulk Aaron, he’s taken his ball and run off home to Mummy.
Value Is EverythingKnock yourself out …..and yes My figures were right , your childish argument Aron was just laughable
Ginger , your selective memory is at work …
If you dont get this , just go back to your bubble ….no harm done
we are all pals , just please dont post back at me because I will call in the thought police (Drone to you sir ) to sort you out ….
I sometimes wonder how you reason things out …but then again maybe you dont ……..Aron
as always you talk a pile of shite
your argument is as always fragnmented and puerile
Get a grip manVery mature Ricky.
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