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Wonderful to see that so many contributors have spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists.
But as Michael Gove said “The British people are tired of listening to experts.”Befair, this is is a horse racing forum, and the discussion is by racing fans about the racing behind closed doors. I know that you’re a doctor, but I’m willing to bet that there’s not too many on this this forum, never mind this thread, who have spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists.
Are we not allowed to discuss this pantomime/web of lies, that has impacted all of us, as we don’t have the above qualifications.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know a shitshow when I see one.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I’ve lived a life, and I know when I’m being lied to.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that arrows in Tesco aren’t going to make the slightest difference.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that none of these very clever people can give a sensible explanation as to why a 1000 people can go into York or Chepstow racecourse for a car boot sale, but can’t go in for the racing.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that a Covid Case isn’t even remotely close to someone actually having Covid, so I know the figures are pure unadulterated lies.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that there isn’t even a shred of evidence that we’ve had a pandemic.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know the difference between dying “with” a positive Covid test, and dying “of” Covid.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that at some point we’ll have to crack on with it, in lieu of any sensible exit strategy from these same people.
I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists, but I know that these same people haven’t made the slightest attempt to help the majority of this country who have been brainwashed/manipulated to within an inch of their life.
I hope you don’t me giving my opinion, bearing in mind I haven’t spent 5 years of medical school, a few years basic training, then taken the membership exams for the Royal Colleges, then 5-6 years of higher specialist training, and are now fully qualified epidemiologists and virologists.
We’re getting lied to. I don’t need anyone, regardless of their qualifications to try and tell me otherwise. If these Epidemiologists or Virologists who you seem to have so much faith in, had an ounce of competence/conscience, then they would be striving to get us out of this overblown nonsense.
I suspect you know all this. If you don’t know this, then you really really shouldn’t be discussing this topic.
Rant over. Well, until the next time a naive, ill advised, ill educated clown annoys me. I’m away to clap the NHS like a demented, brainwashed seal, then I’m away to watch some more nurses doing their heartwarming, highly choreographed, and highly practiced Tik Tok videos. Where do they find the time in a pandemic to do this. Kudos to them
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Good post, VTC
Well said Vtc.
What you say is exactly how we are all feeling now 6 months down the line.Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Absolutely superb post from VtC. We have a government (not uniquely so, it must be stressed) who, I fear, are trying to over-compensate for their initial lethargy by taking an overly cautious approach when it comes to allowing sporting events with spectators. Even the ultra-conservative (in this respect) Scottish government allowed a few hundred to attend SPL matches recently. Walking through York city centre on a busy Saturday should address any fears about re-opening racecourses at limited capacities. The preferential treatment afforded to hospitality over other sectors in the economy is staggering and unjust.
History will not look back kindly on the approach adopted by most European governments (certainly the longer this goes on). There has to be an exit strategy to restrictions, rather than just hoping a quicker test will come along (or even worse, the rubbish spouted about the proximity of a vaccine). I hope things don’t get ugly, I suspect they won’t. But there is that possibility.
Well said VTC. The idea that only epidemiologists can have an opinion on this issue! It is far bigger, given the profound economic and social impact. We are all entitled to an opinion on that.
The only thing I can add is that it is not true to imply that all epidemiologists have the same opinion. There is no such thing as “the science”. There is a range of scientific and medical opinion on Covid. Social media platforms try to make it difficult to find but if you look long enough there is a considerable body of scientific, medical and legal opinion that is not in favour of lockdowns, masks or social distancing. And these people are distinguished people in their areas of expertise, not cranks.
The pro-lockdown crowd should at least recognise this body of opinion exists. They should also recognise that the approach of the last six months is not an unalloyed good and has had a considerable downside. Effectively implying that people should stay silent and never question anything is not the way a free society should work.
Think you are missing the point befair.
What is the governments exit plan/back to normal plan for this virus? Bearing in mind that at least half the country is unlikely to take a rushed in vaccine and it’s unlikely to disappear for ever.
Why does the government have the right to pick and choose whose livelihoods to screw up? Eat out to help out scheme is fine apparently. For what reason?!
I took my daughter to Legoland 6 weeks ago, it was carnage. People everywhere. Why is that okay and not sporting events?
This is what people are saying here.
What’s your view on that?
If you’re reffering to the Abbfest from September 18th – 20th, then you might want to read this:
The next Food Fair will take place in September 2021.
If you also consider the almost 42,000 corona deaths in the UK so far, you must admit that a cautious approach is still acceptable. The virus remains as effective as it was back in March when the pandemy started. So, if you don’t want to trust the scientists, who else are you going to trust?
I’m not saying government=scientists, but I couldn’t understand why government would want businesses to go broke or people to stay at home all the time instead of going out and spending their cash. I agree that some measures are extremely exagerated, including the return of just a few thousand people to a racecourse every day, but if people would be more considerate when having social contacts the faster we could eradicate the virus and the faster we could move back to normal business.
Dunning-Kruger
Tom Marquand is a better jockey than Frankie Dettori.
Proof: He is 2 for 2 when riding the horse. Yet, he was jocked off for Magnificent Frankie who has failed to make the frame on him in three rides.
Was that a good example, befair? Me, as a horse racing expert, knowing it better than the trainer himself.
When Aidan O’Brien is preparing his next Derby runner, I’m sure he’ll consult an epidemiologist
The Chief Executive of Chester racecourse was quoted in the Guardian on Monday saying that the track will have to be mothballed next year if crowds are still not allowed. They simply could not afford to race. Yet he said the bars and restaurants on the course are open on non race days but have to close when there is racing. Crazy!
Yup Cork, completely nuts.
Befair, you’re either trolling, or this whole discussion is flying completely over your head, you can’t quite grasp it, can you?
You are making a complete fool of yourself. Yet again.
The irony of you of all people on here, trying to look clever by referencing Dunning-Kruger, is hilarious and terrifying in equal measure
You are completely out of your depth on this one. Though as I said, I also suspect you may be trolling. Nobody could surely believe the rubbish you have posted.
I do agree with befair regarding the virus. As it is showing the more we come out of lockdown the higher the number of cases there are. The scientists (or most of them) are getting very concerned with this.
What I do not agree with is, as other posters have opinioned, the inconsistencies in what you can and can’t do e.g. the Car boot sales at a racecourse but no crowd allowed at the Racing. Either allow both or bar both. Crowds at some sports but not at others? How come you could go to the World Snooker final indoors but not Racecourses, football or cricket which are outdoors?
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