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    stilvi
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    Today Stoute was at pains to describe Moore’s ride as ‘great’. Would he have been quite so charitable had the horse got boxed in, finished fast and not won or even won and been disqualified? For me Moore got the horse into an awful position but was fortunate enough to get a run on the best horse on the day. Does it make it a ‘great ride’ just because he won? A couple of races later on Nouriya he got himself into a similarly poor position and didn’t get so lucky. She wouldn’t have won but should have been in the mix for third.

    #320724
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    Another Parade, and more Rain from Stilvi!

    Moore kept his head, didn’t barge through a half-gap or try to swing out wide of the field, and made exactly the right decisions at the right time. An element of luck, of course, but being in the right place at the right time to take advantage of the breaks is what a great rider does.

    Celebrate it.

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    Avatar photoFran the man
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    In a race of this nature unless you’ve a front running horse there always has to be an element of luck to get/create the gaps to get through, i felt moore did well didn’t try to force it and was strong in the finish (though he never seems to do it when i back anything he’s riding)

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    I think Ryan Moore could stamp his name into history as one of the all-time greats in time, given luck and health.

    At Lonchamp you either give up ground on the outside or you take your chances on the rail. If he’d gone round the outside he may well have lost today but there were obvious risks where he was.

    A lesser jockey may have panicked and bustled him up too soon and tried to force his way through but Moore stayed cool, picking the right gaps at the right time.

    Element of luck, perhaps, but still no doubting that it was a hugely skillful ride.

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    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    It was a superb ride from a champion jockey around a nightmare of a course governed by Stewards worse than the muppets that ruin our races! Today was one of the greatest achievements in my racing life but was soon to be an anti-climax when the French stewards took over half an hour to state the obvious!

    Workforce

    will now go down as a great because he has won The Derby and The Arc and i"m delighted to say so! :D

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    bbobbell
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    It was a superb ride from a champion jockey around a nightmare of a course governed by Stewards worse than the muppets that ruin our races! Today was one of the greatest achievements in my racing life but was soon to be an anti-climax when the French stewards took over half an hour to state the obvious!

    Workforce

    will now go down as a great because he has won The Derby and The Arc and i"m delighted to say so! :D

    Just to add my tuppence worth, I agree with every word of that. Ryan Moore is rapidly becoming the real deal in the saddle for the big occasion. He has a sensible head on his shoulders. As for the horse he lightened up what has been, for me, a lifeless Flat season and hope he stays in training next year as there is clearly more to come from him.

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    andyod
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    What may I ask is this supposed to mean "Today was one of the greatest achievements in MY RACING LIFE"?

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    Does it make it a ‘great ride’ just because he won? A couple of races later on Nouriya he got himself into a similarly poor position and didn’t get so lucky.

    Seems as if your adopting the non conformist standpoint, looking for someway to diminish Moore’s achievements merely because he’s successful. Elements of luck are inseparable from horse racing but as few here already mentioned, seizing opportunities as they occur in the race is what separates great jockeys from mediocre ones.

    #320840
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    What may I ask is this supposed to mean "Today was one of the greatest achievements in MY RACING LIFE"?

    Of course you may ask andy! It means quite simply in all my 25yrs of betting horses ante-Post this success, as well as being financially beneficial has also proved my judgement in a horse is still as accurate as it was when

    Dancing Brave

    ruled 1986! Myself and several racing colleagues have invested heavily in this horse all year,some of whom bet far more than i do but ultimately they are betting on my advice so yesterdays result was a close call,thankfully the right result! We started the year by losing heavily on the 2000gns as Workforce never ran but i was as confident he would win the Derby so we all lumped on at 25/1 -7/1! The King George was a different story as i was on

    Harbinger

    at 25/1 and Workforce was odds on anyway but even after that race i knew workforce would win the Arc even if Harbinger had ran so again we all snaffled double figure prices! Me being me had also taken the 44"s back in May as i knew when he wins the Derby he will be trained for the Arc! Then there was all the will he wont he run saga! Thank goodness he did as i had shared a 1000 words with you lot on here as to why he was the racing certainty of the year! Typically the knowledgeable on here appreciate it,the clueless numptys who struggle to string a sentance together were willing him to get beat so they could slag me off,i know that and yet i still keep setting myself up! Its all about confidence andy!The day i lose that is the day i lose my crown although as i keep saying there are a handful on here who can run me close,they keep me on my toes! Apologies if it sounds like i"m Gloating,i"m just stating facts!

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    Avatar photoMatthew01
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    I’ve said it for a while, he’s the best jockey in the world at the moment.

    #320856
    Avatar photoJJMSports
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    I’ve said it for a while, he’s the best jockey in the world at the moment.

    Definitely agree, on his day, he is unstoppable, irrespective who he is under.

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