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I think Diamond Harry needs to be ridden very patiently, almost to the point of being kidded along, and I think Murphy’s laid back/hold up approach is more conducive to the horse’s needs, rather than Geraghty’s more cajoling, robust style.
Just an observation I made and certainly nothing at all against the very good and very capable Barry Gerraghty.
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I’d have to agree although Barry did settle Diamond Harry nicely and got a good response without undue effort from the jockey when he asked him to get into the race.
I love this horse and have backed him in all his races.
While that was a very impressive debut producing what to me looked the best novice chase performance of the season, with the RSA in mind, yet I’d have to say by Diamond Harry’s usual high standards he wasn’t spectacular today.
I feel he’ll come on lots for this run, with Timmy back on board he’s looking very strong for the RSA.
Right now I can’t see one to beat him, not Knockara Beau or Weird Al (two on my original very short short list) that’s for sure.I am laying that all day long for RSA
I bet you haven"t laid a horse in your life? What price are you laying him at "all day" then?
Jumped well enough and looked good on his chasing debut but I got the distinct feeling that Barry Geraghty’s style was less suited to the horse than that of Timmy Murphy’s.
I actually thought Barry rode him well. A far more confident/competent rider in my opinion who rather than sits and steers in a hesitant manner (like Timmy does) he actually looks for and finds the stride. I think he suits Harry rather well with the confidence he has.
If you are unsure what I mean with regards to Timmy, watch the V.C today on his effort on Well Chief and the approach to the fences. Far from impressive I’m afraid.Why?
I think Diamond Harry needs to be ridden very patiently, almost to the point of being kidded along, and I think Murphy’s laid back/hold up approach is more conducive to the horse’s needs, rather than Geraghty’s more cajoling, robust style.
Just an observation I made and certainly nothing at all against the very good and very capable Barry Gerraghty.
Think that’s a bit of an insult to Barry Geraghty to be honest. He can hold them up with the best of em IMO.
Were you not watching him on Sentry Duty the other week? That ride was all about everything you have just said…very patiently…laid back…hold up…
I’m sure he was given instructions how to ride and will have known anyway. He put the horse in a great position all throughout the race allowing the horse to get a good look at every fence. For a very split second when they quickened up he looked tapped for toe, but within a few seconds Geraghty got him back up there and back on the bridle travelling very strongly.
I thought it was a textbook ride and I think ‘Harry’ is a serious contender for Cheltenham…
I’d say Barry rode him beautifully, the horse settled well for him, I did get the impression that Harry wasn’t concentrating properly though and he’s impressed me much more in the past.
That said he’ll be very hard to beat in the RSA, Mikel D’Haugenet perhaps but I can’t think of anything else?
Only reason I’d prefer Timmy is purely out of loyalty, there’s too little of that about these days…I’ve certainly no problems with Barry, did anyone else catch him saying "That’ll scare the (RSA) opposition"
That said he’ll be very hard to beat in the RSA, Mikel D’Haugenet perhaps but I can’t think of anything else?
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23 Jan 2010, 19:00New postby Marsh on 23 Jan 2010, 19:00
CheltenhamSpecialist wrote:That said he’ll be very hard to beat in the RSA, Mikel D’Haugenet perhaps but I can’t think of anything else?
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Pandorama : Great Form, Strong Genuine type, my original first choice but I don’t fancy watching Paul Carberry screw it up Harchibald style with my cash riding on his judgement of how big a short head is, I’ve had enough after Muirhead. But if his sister rode it maybe?
Punchestowns : Never felt he was as good as Harry over hurdles and therefore in my opionion less likely to be his equal over fences, Harry always looked more like the chaser in the making
Long Run? : Don’t get caught up in the hype,
Jumped well enough and looked good on his chasing debut but I got the distinct feeling that Barry Geraghty’s style was less suited to the horse than that of Timmy Murphy’s.
Himself is one of the guys on here i always take seriously,so i have watched Timmys ride at Haydock alongside Barrys ride at Haydock,obviously one is over fences the other fixed brush!The difference is remarkable,Timmy being Mr Patient was sat on a horse bursting with energy,he just wouldn"t settle at all and won on a tight rein,he was restrained all the way round and that in effect kept the horses head in his chest.Timmy sits motionless his arms far more vertical,due to keeping Harry under heavy restraint,an impressive performance from both horse and jockey!Barry on the other hand gave Harry his head compared to Timmy and if anything allowed him to bowl along at a pace that looked as though he was going half a stride too fast,what surprised me more than anything was the ease in which Harry jumped,considering this was his first run over fences,Barry sat much lower in the saddle,his arms were more horizontally placed on the horses shoulder/neck,but when he asked the response was instant,another excellent performance from both horse and jockey!One thing about this horse is his athleticism,for one so big,he is a long backed horse and yet he arches well,had he been trained for the RSA then he would have been favourite now!What would concern me is ground that was a touch quick for him in future and the fact he is still an inexperienced Chaser!Some horse though! Next seasons Hennessey winner if he runs!
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I think they’re both good jockey’s but I heard on the radio today Timmy has apparantly been a bit guilty of running horses down their fences to correct them which costs a lot of ground. Not sure of that’s the reason he was replaced as I haven’t been following it.
The difference between the two rides you talk about TAPK can be put down to the switch to fences. As you point out DH isn’t an easy horse to settle and the last thing you want is any sort of fight on your hands when jumping the big ones. That’s one of the reason you see PN novice chasers being given their heads and making all saomething Micheal Dickinson also used to be a great beleiver in with novices. BG has a great pair of hands and can settle horses, when required,every bit as well if not better than TM and is certainly much stronger in a finish.
Whether he’s good enough to win at Cheltenham or not remains to beseen but as far as tha RSA is concerned (something I pointed out beforethe race) he now has as much experience as the front 2 in the betting over British fences. All we need is Mikael D to go straight there and it really will be a [u:2ea98g44]novice[/u:2ea98g44] chase
Fist you know as well as me if Mikael gets there,Mikael wins the RSA!I know i have said it before but he is the nearest thing to Denman on four legs!
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Still have sneaky feeling WM plans to switch him to the Arkle if he gets a run into him anytime soon.
Still have sneaky feeling WM plans to switch him to the Arkle if he gets a run into him anytime soon.
You and your sneaky feelings eh!
I think they’re both good jockey’s but I heard on the radio today Timmy has apparantly been a bit guilty of running horses down their fences to correct them which costs a lot of ground. Not sure of that’s the reason he was replaced as I haven’t been following it.
Think it was purely and simply because Timmy Murphy was at Ascot instead to ride Well Chief.
As has been said though both are very good Jockey’s and either would give ‘Harry’ as good a chance if he takes his place. Reckon it will be TM though if he does take his chance as I can’t see Geraghty not riding Punchestowns…?
If you are unsure what I mean with regards to Timmy, watch the V.C today on his effort on Well Chief and the approach to the fences. Far from impressive I’m afraid.
I’m also afraid that that is an unfair example.
Admirable as Well Chief has been, injuries and age have caught up with him and he doesn’t retain anything like the ability he once had.
He had his last hurrah when first time up fresh and obviously trained for the race, he beat an injured Master Minded.RSA Lay.
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You utter swine, TAPK.
I’ll come willingly and freely admit to backing against the beast today, but that had no bearing on my ‘lay’ claim.
I, unlike the fearless MRW, have never pressed the ‘lay’ button in my life and neither will I ever; the pain of backing a loser in a ‘win’ bet is bad enough without failing with the whole bloody field on my side. The damage to my already fragile confidence, I fear, would be irreparable – not to mention the trouble I’d have looking myself in the mirror whilst dabbing away the tears.
I’d take him on again.
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