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Don’t talk about me like I am not around you condescending pratt.
You think differently you can say so without the attempt to try and make me look like an idiot or is that too much to ask from a senior member of the forum who should know statements like yours only lead to fights?
I think a lot more people would be happier holding my AP vouchers than anything you got mate.
What A Friend 14/1 now fav at 9/1 Binocular 22/1 now fav at 6/4 Hurricane Fly 7/1 now 5/1 Kauto Star 7/1 now 11/4 Master Minded 6/4 now 4/9 and Calgary Bay 40/1 now 14/1 all in my posts if you ever take the time to read them.
I’ll let others judge who the idiot is around here is
I would be more interested in the prices of horses (Cousin Vinny & Sublimity etc) that you have layed considering they have no chance….
I never lay horses Aiden.
I suppose if I laid Binocular just now I could pick up a small fortune but it something that enters my head.
If I did and you are asking would I lay Sublimity on a win only basis for the Champion Hurdle,,,,,,,,I’d put my house on it
I may be a bit thick but sorry I don’t get your point here
If you’re that keen to tell us all about your punting prowess why not start a separate thread in Lays and Plays. I’ve got a monkey that says you couldn’t show a profit over the NH season. Spoofing on here allows you to conveniently forget the losers!
I never lay horses Aiden.
I suppose if I laid Binocular just now I could pick up a small fortune but it something that enters my head.
If I did and you are asking would I lay Sublimity on a win only basis for the Champion Hurdle,,,,,,,,I’d put my house on it
I may be a bit thick but sorry I don’t get your point here
I’m not trying to start an argument here, believe me. This is something I never understood though.
Why wouldn’t you lay him? Laying and backing are 2 sides of the same coin. If, in your opinion, something is a horrible price to back, it means you think there is a large profit to be made by laying it. Why would you turn that down?
If you thought apples were worth 49p, yet could sell them for £2.10, would you say ‘sorry, I only buy goods, never sell them’.
Old school I suppose Diceman. I left the UK before Betfair and any the others started doing whatever it is they do and I have never bothered with it.
It’s just my way I suppose and if you care to look back at The international Hurdle (ascot thread) you will see my raction when Bulwark spoke about laying his bet of on Binny. That’s Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!! was my reply.
I simply couldn’t do that as I believe he will win and I have backed him very heavily…….could call it greed if you like but I do it mainly for the crack and laying them just wouldn’t be the same for me.
Plus unlike some people I don’t bet everyday. I tend to look for exceptional horses and when I think the time is right I back them.
A bold strategy – out of interest, who have you assumed "exceptional" in the last few years, who wasn’t (apart from Sizing Europe who we already know about).
I’m not nit-picking – just out of sheer interest, as you only seem to mention relative success stories such as Zarkava, Binocular etc. Can’t imagine you’ve made money on the latter (yet) for example.
I think you’ve a cracking bet on your hands with the latter – as you know i’m on Sentry Duty at fancy prices (and still fancy he could go close, mainly on a line through Celestial Halo) and don’t think theres much at all between Binocular and Sentry Duty – but doubt Mr. Henderson will run them all, i’m sure Punjabi and Binocular will do nicely for him in the CH and my choice will head for the Coral Cup perhaps.
I suppose if I laid Binocular just now I could pick up a small fortune but it something that enters my head.
Fist, LAY IT, lets just say for arguments sake that you have
£500 e/w on "Binocular" at 20/1! win £10,500 place £3,000 profit £12,500
so you lay now at 6/4 to lose! £5,000 for example! "Binocular" gets beat
a sh hd by "Celestial Halo" £5,000 profit minus your win stake £1,000 equals £4,000 profit
O.K so "Binocular" wins in a hack canter, but you covered your bet by laying him, instead of collecting £12,500 profit you are now collecting
£5,000 cos you lost your £5,000 protection at 6/4! your 20/1 bet is now become a 4/5 guaranteed winner! You win £5000 if it wins and you win
£4,000 if it loses! The best time to lay is in running when he hits 1.5
on the machine as he climbs the hill takes guts though but your profit
is a couple of grand more for sitting and sitting!
There is a lot of rubbish spoken about laying at 10/1 and bigger even
to £20! you dont want to risk losing 10 times your stake or worse! i always lay in running at the shortest odds available! Safety!A bold strategy – out of interest, who have you assumed "exceptional" in the last few years, who wasn’t (apart from Sizing Europe who we already know about).
I’m not nit-picking – just out of sheer interest, as you only seem to mention relative success stories such as Zarkava, Binocular etc. Can’t imagine you’ve made money on the latter (yet) for example.
I think you’ve a cracking bet on your hands with the latter – as you know i’m on Sentry Duty at fancy prices (and still fancy he could go close, mainly on a line through Celestial Halo) and don’t think theres much at all between Binocular and Sentry Duty – but doubt Mr. Henderson will run them all, i’m sure Punjabi and Binocular will do nicely for him in the CH and my choice will head for the Coral Cup perhaps.
I think you’ll find I won plenty on Binocular despite losing when he got withdrawn from the triumph having bet him EW at Chelters and having my biggest bet of the season on him prior to Master Minded in the QMCC.
I sytarted looking through all my bets and aparantly I backed Binny at 25/1 the day he got beat in the Supreme.not for much but that was a pleasant surprise and a nice addition to the pot
I get enough hassle on here without after timing PC so forgive me if I give those bets a miss
I suggested some time ago that the Tote was too sharp for Sentry Duty. I repeated that to a freind close to the yard on Skype yesterday and was told not to talk Shyte
I suggest you get more cash ready in hand as they intend running him in the Tote..I will be in there the second the books open if he’s a decent price as I couldnt see him being out of the first 4 the way he has been running…..GL going bowling!!!!!!!!!!!!!With respect, this is nonsense. What price you have already backed something at should have no impact on a decision as to whether the current price is too short and therefore a lay.
The part you mentioned about laying at >10/1 or laying at the shortest possible odds in running has no logical basis whatsoever.I suppose if I laid Binocular just now I could pick up a small fortune but it something that enters my head.
Fist, LAY IT, lets just say for arguments sake that you have
£500 e/w on "Binocular" at 20/1! win £10,500 place £3,000 profit £12,500
so you lay now at 6/4 to lose! £5,000 for example! "Binocular" gets beat
a sh hd by "Celestial Halo" £5,000 profit minus your win stake £1,000 equals £4,000 profit
O.K so "Binocular" wins in a hack canter, but you covered your bet by laying him, instead of collecting £12,500 profit you are now collecting
£5,000 cos you lost your £5,000 protection at 6/4! your 20/1 bet is now become a 4/5 guaranteed winner! You win £5000 if it wins and you win
£4,000 if it loses! The best time to lay is in running when he hits 1.5
on the machine as he climbs the hill takes guts though but your profit
is a couple of grand more for sitting and sitting!
There is a lot of rubbish spoken about laying at 10/1 and bigger even
to £20! you dont want to risk losing 10 times your stake or worse! i always lay in running at the shortest odds available! Safety!Nonsense to you perhaps but I don’t get it wrong often enough to let it worry me. I backed Zarkava at 7/1. let’s say for talking sake I had 25,000 pts on here giving me a possible return of 200,000 pts. How much would I have ended up with had I laid half of it off?
To me I would have cost so much it could take me a long time to recoup it.
I know you are saying I would be in a position where I couldn’t lose and that’s fine but in her case I would have kicked myslef if I had done so.
With Binocular if I laid him off and he won I mihght shoot myself
Unless Binocular falls I can see absolutely no chance of him being out of the first three. He could miss the race through injury but that’s a chance I am willing to take. He owes me nothing as he was my second largest bet of the season when he won at Ascot.
What you don’t know as you weren’t around I never had to put my hand in my pocket to bet the horse anyway. I had a very good Cheltenam and backed Binocular within days of the meeting ending I also bet for the 2009 renewals Kauto Star at 7/1 and 5/1 and 6/4 Master Minded who had been my biggest bet of the meeting and of the NH season. They are my most important best of the season and if only one wins I will be happy.
You don’t change winning formulas and mines is spot the best and back the best and it’s working fine so far (Touch wood) thank you
A bold strategy – out of interest, who have you assumed "exceptional" in the last few years, who wasn’t (apart from Sizing Europe who we already know about).
I’m not nit-picking – just out of sheer interest, as you only seem to mention relative success stories such as Zarkava, Binocular etc. Can’t imagine you’ve made money on the latter (yet) for example.
I think you’ve a cracking bet on your hands with the latter – as you know i’m on Sentry Duty at fancy prices (and still fancy he could go close, mainly on a line through Celestial Halo) and don’t think theres much at all between Binocular and Sentry Duty – but doubt Mr. Henderson will run them all, i’m sure Punjabi and Binocular will do nicely for him in the CH and my choice will head for the Coral Cup perhaps.
I think you’ll find I won plenty on Binocular despite losing when he got withdrawn from the triumph having bet him EW at Chelters and having my biggest bet of the season on him prior to Master Minded in the QMCC.
I sytarted looking through all my bets and aparantly I backed Binny at 25/1 the day he got beat in the Supreme.not for much but that was a pleasant surprise and a nice addition to the pot
I get enough hassle on here without after timing PC so forgive me if I give those bets a miss
I suggested some time ago that the Tote was too sharp for Sentry Duty. I repeated that to a freind close to the yard on Skype yesterday and was told not to talk Shyte
I suggest you get more cash ready in hand as they intend running him in the Tote..I will be in there the second the books open if he’s a decent price as I couldnt see him being out of the first 4 the way he has been running…..GL going bowling!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fists, this is pretty difficult to believe considering Binocular was 8/1 co favourite on the day! It’s hard to believe given your crowing on Binocular for the Triumph that you recouped the money you put on AP but if you got 25’s on the day fair play
. Add to that the fact that he went off 8/11 in his prep run hardly strikes of making fortunes either unless of course you are betting big.
He still has to get up that hill as well
The part you mentioned about laying at >10/1 or laying at the shortest possible odds in running has no logical basis whatsoever.
Either you have misinterpreted what i meant "Dice" or you struggle
with Arithmetic! If e.g "Binocular" was 10/1 at the start of a race to win
he would be approx 10/1 to lay at the start of the race also! I am wanting
to lay the horse because i think he will get beat! I either lay him for £20 at the start of the race at 10/1,so if he wins i have just lost £220, but if i lay him in running, because i know this horse travels well and he will come to challenge at some point during the race his price will shorten, so for arguments sake he has 1 flight to jump is still swingin and has only 2 horses to pass he goes 6/4 on the machine! he jumps the last passes 1 horse is a length down he goes 1/2 on the machine i press the lay button
£20 at 1/2 to get beat! its a photo finish but he just gets the nod i have just
lost £10 not the 200 quid i could have lost at the start! Can you explain what you mean now pleaseCongratulations lads, you are discovering that there are more holes in Fist than a Swiss Cheese- he’s the biggest spoofer since the bloke selling the Brooklyn Bridge.
I think I’ll call you :V: Carv……if you are going to have a Vandetta don’t come to a gun fight with a knife as they say in the movies
I can understand Aragorn’s error when he misread my post but you are just a lowlife with a chip on his shoulder who can’t stand to see anyone else being successful,can you?
You got to me I’ll give you that and in my anger I had a look back at my posts from last season and thankfully Corm never deleted them, it took me while but I found this:.
Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Who’ the slow one this time Laughing25/1 right agter the supreme was on offer and I jumped at it :0) Suprised to see he is still 20/1
If Nicky henderson genuinly thought he wasn’t going to run at Cheltenham he may just have left a little on him…….if that is the case he must be better than I thought………I stated a thread right after he won his first race "Have we just seen next year champion hurdler" Got a bit of stick for that but if one horse can come throgh the ranks it’s him.it’s here: https://theracingforum.co.uk/forum/v … 27&start=0
Incidentally Aragorn I was on in the Supreme at 16/1 which was the first show.
There was no press releases for 36 hours and I looked everywhere possible was on the phone on skype you name it. I was up all night and all day waiting to see if he would run or not as he was taken out the betting and the minute he was quoted online I was on he phone to my bookie.
So please don’t try and tell me anything about Binocular I could tell you when he last farted
As for you Carv that’s the last time I will answer your posts if you want to contnue your crap. Let it go mate life is too short, if not I’ll let the powers that be handle you from now on as a I am sick to death of your cheap insults.
A bold strategy – out of interest, who have you assumed "exceptional" in the last few years, who wasn’t (apart from Sizing Europe who we already know about).
I’m not nit-picking – just out of sheer interest, as you only seem to mention relative success stories such as Zarkava, Binocular etc. Can’t imagine you’ve made money on the latter (yet) for example.
I think you’ve a cracking bet on your hands with the latter – as you know i’m on Sentry Duty at fancy prices (and still fancy he could go close, mainly on a line through Celestial Halo) and don’t think theres much at all between Binocular and Sentry Duty – but doubt Mr. Henderson will run them all, i’m sure Punjabi and Binocular will do nicely for him in the CH and my choice will head for the Coral Cup perhaps.
I think you’ll find I won plenty on Binocular despite losing when he got withdrawn from the triumph having bet him EW at Chelters and having my biggest bet of the season on him prior to Master Minded in the QMCC.
I sytarted looking through all my bets and aparantly I backed Binny at 25/1 the day he got beat in the Supreme.not for much but that was a pleasant surprise and a nice addition to the pot
I get enough hassle on here without after timing PC so forgive me if I give those bets a miss
I suggested some time ago that the Tote was too sharp for Sentry Duty. I repeated that to a freind close to the yard on Skype yesterday and was told not to talk Shyte
I suggest you get more cash ready in hand as they intend running him in the Tote..I will be in there the second the books open if he’s a decent price as I couldnt see him being out of the first 4 the way he has been running…..GL going bowling!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fists, this is pretty difficult to believe considering Binocular was 8/1 co favourite on the day! It’s hard to believe given your crowing on Binocular for the Triumph that you recouped the money you put on AP but if you got 25’s on the day fair play
. Add to that the fact that he went off 8/11 in his prep run hardly strikes of making fortunes either unless of course you are betting big.
He still has to get up that hill as well
Sorry Aragorn I missed the but at the bottom…don’t want to have to go searching posts again mate but I stated at the time if I could get evens I would have my biggest bet of the season on him. He opened up 10/11 a couple of days before he race AP and I backed him at that price.
I’d be interested to know what a big bet is Fists
Answer
a) £0-£100
b) £100-£500
c) £500-£1000
d) Over £1000Nonsense to you perhaps but I don’t get it wrong often enough to let it worry me. I backed Zarkava at 7/1. let’s say for talking sake I had 25,000 pts on here giving me a possible return of 200,000 pts. How much would I have ended up with had I laid half of it off?
To me I would have cost so much it could take me a long time to recoup it.
I know you are saying I would be in a position where I couldn’t lose and that’s fine but in her case I would have kicked myslef if I had done so.
With Binocular if I laid him off and he won I mihght shoot myself
Unless Binocular falls I can see absolutely no chance of him being out of the first three. He could miss the race through injury but that’s a chance I am willing to take. He owes me nothing as he was my second largest bet of the season when he won at Ascot.
What you don’t know as you weren’t around I never had to put my hand in my pocket to bet the horse anyway. I had a very good Cheltenam and backed Binocular within days of the meeting ending I also bet for the 2009 renewals Kauto Star at 7/1 and 5/1 and 6/4 Master Minded who had been my biggest bet of the meeting and of the NH season. They are my most important best of the season and if only one wins I will be happy.
You don’t change winning formulas and mines is spot the best and back the best and it’s working fine so far (Touch wood) thank you
I thought it was pretty clear that the post I was replying to was not written by you Fist.
Anyway, your point about Zarkava is confusing and has no basis in sensible decision making. If your initial bet was 25000 points, you have far bigger bankroll management issues to be worrying about compared to deciding whether the price on the day was too short.
Even if you did do this, it’s not how much you cost yourself by laying off that is the question. It’s whether the price is too long or too short, and what price you have already backed or layed at is completely irrelevant.I’m not quite sure why you say you had a good Cheltenham. Well done though. To say that you never had to put your hand in your pocket to bet the horse is laughable at best though. What did you do, use fake money?
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