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110 Exemplar 213-
110 Syphax 11-2
106 Forest Ranger 13-1
099 Wolf Country 61-1
109 Rekindling 210-1
089 Swiss Storm 71-
106 Benbatl -13Best Wishes
SilkMy eyes will allways look out for an Aiden trained Galileo, so Exemplar comes to mind here and if he is up to his OR he will have the best of chances to the first two places..
Forest Ranger looks in surprisingly good form, on paper. Any links to the race on youtube?Best Wishes
Silk110 Exemplar 213-
110 Syphax 11-2
106 Forest Ranger 13-1
099 Wolf Country 61-1
109 Rekindling 210-1
100 Swiss Storm 71-
106 Benbatl -13Swiss Storm is only rated 89 on the BHA official ratings.
Cracksman is 107 but has a run and should improve.
Crystal Ocean is rated 89 but sits only quarter a point behind Cracksman on 3/1, despite the 18 lbs inferior rating.
I feel the whole Rekindling/Yucatan/Douglas MacArthur/Venice Beach/Capri form line is so tightly knit that it can only mean mediocrity, rather than quality. Exemplar is tied in tight with those horses as well, and despite having invested a fiver in Exemplar for the Derby at 33/1 last year, I am not very hopeful at all.
You can watch Forest Ranger winning at Newcastle here:-
http://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-replay-popup/VOD/983108
John Gosden reported that his colt Utmost was not right that day and will have a long break before coming back racing.
Cracksman for me at 11/4. Good luck if you are playing here.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
110 Exemplar 213-
110 Syphax 11-2
106 Forest Ranger 13-1
099 Wolf Country 61-1
109 Rekindling 210-1
100 Swiss Storm 71-
106 Benbatl -13Swiss Storm is only rated 89 on the BHA official ratings.
Cracksman is 107 but has a run and should improve.
Crystal Ocean is rated 89 but sits only quarter a point behind Cracksman on 3/1, despite the 18 lbs inferior rating.
I feel the whole Rekindling/Yucatan/Douglas MacArthur/Venice Beach/Capri form line is so tightly knit that it can only mean mediocrity, rather than quality. Exemplar is tied in tight with those horses as well, and despite having invested a fiver in Exemplar for the Derby at 33/1 last year, I am not very hopeful at all.
You can watch Forest Ranger winning at Newcastle here:-
http://www.attheraces.com/atrplayer-replay-popup/VOD/983108
John Gosden reported that his colt Utmost was not right that day and will have a long break before coming back racing.
Cracksman for me at 11/4. Good luck if you are playing here.
Thnx for the replay link Steve, not much wiser after an AW race run at a moderat pace from the gates. Forest Ranger still looked good and able to carry on for a bit, if he can reproduce that 1st turn of foot on turf (easier), he might just be looking at a place in what would be Forest Rangers Derby, the Dante Stks. 10 f max in my opinion.
Mistake with Swiss Storms rating, left out the favorites and the exposed ones…Would love a Frankel to win this and at Epsom, Cracksmans form not confirmed to my satisfactory though…
I will try and find a good trifecta, far to many morning glorys in the race for my liking.Best Wishes
SilkNo denying the weight of money for Crystal Ocean for this race. Backed him at 16’s E/W on Friday evening for this race.
Within an hour all bookies were down to 8’s, which has not stopped since. Saturday night the gamble started on him for the Derby which has seen his odds more than half.
A lot of this probably had quite a lot to do with Okool winning on Friday. One thing i’m quite certain about is that Okool is a lot better than his current rating, likewise Crystal Ocean. Both will prove the handicapper has made a big mistake on rating these two horses.
Interesting race. Think the winner will be crystal ocean or cracksman but can’t decide between the two
No denying the weight of money for Crystal Ocean for this race. Backed him at 16’s E/W on Friday evening for this race.
Within an hour all bookies were down to 8’s, which has not stopped since. Saturday night the gamble started on him for the Derby which has seen his odds more than half.
A lot of this probably had quite a lot to do with Okool winning on Friday. One thing i’m quite certain about is that Okool is a lot better than his current rating, likewise Crystal Ocean. Both will prove the handicapper has made a big mistake on rating these two horses.
I very much doubt much of it had to do with Okool winning. More likely he’s been punted because he’s been showing at home and the trainer has been purring about him
No denying the weight of money for Crystal Ocean for this race. Backed him at 16’s E/W on Friday evening for this race.
Within an hour all bookies were down to 8’s, which has not stopped since. Saturday night the gamble started on him for the Derby which has seen his odds more than half.
A lot of this probably had quite a lot to do with Okool winning on Friday. One thing i’m quite certain about is that Okool is a lot better than his current rating, likewise Crystal Ocean. Both will prove the handicapper has made a big mistake on rating these two horses.
I very much doubt much of it had to do with Okool winning. More likely he’s been punted because he’s been showing at home and the trainer has been purring about him
Probably that’s the case Judge and maybe Okool just added petrol to the fire since. If i remember right WH went 12’s and was cut within 15 minutes to 8’s and a few other bookies were showing 16’s. This was about an hour before Okool ran, and just before he ran everyone was about 6’s by then.
About an hour after SJL lost at Lingfield money started to come for him for the Derby.
Can’t help but feel there’s a lot of hype around this race. Swiss Storm 16-1 seems very tempting to me even if there are huge stamina doubts. Wasn’t he one of the best two year olds from last year? Now he seems forgotten.
Can’t help but feel there’s a lot of hype around this race. Swiss Storm 16-1 seems very tempting to me even if there are huge stamina doubts. Wasn’t he one of the best two year olds from last year? Now he seems forgotten.
As I said, lots of morning stars and beaten favorites. Swiss Storm as a winner would not surprise me, he’s very unexposed but I probably won’t back him
Best Wishes
SilkProbably Cracksman/Crystal Ocean stouter stayers than the Elsworth horse and with rain getting in the ground that should be significant.
Probably Cracksman/Crystal Ocean stouter stayers than the Elsworth horse and with rain getting in the ground that should be significant.
That’s what most is saying, I get Crancksman, Crystal Ocean by rumours, maybe Exampler, Forest Ranger. For a trifecta on the tote. No ante-post betting for Danes in Denmark
Best Wishes
SilkCan’t help but feel there’s a lot of hype around this race. Swiss Storm 16-1 seems very tempting to me even if there are huge stamina doubts. Wasn’t he one of the best two year olds from last year? Now he seems forgotten.
No, Swiss Storm was nowhere near one of the best two year olds from last year. He was a maiden winner rated 89, whose form has nothing to recommend itself as a hot bed of group horses. He is a big son of Frankel, highly regarded by his trainer and fans of Frankel. There ends any involvement with the best 2yo’s of last year.
If there is a pure hype horse in the Dante, it is Swiss Storm. He won an awful maiden, one I called awful at the time but others disagreed. The best horse to come out of the race, City Of Joy, scrambled home off 84 in a Handicap race last time. One other horse won a Bath maiden at 8/11 before being tailed off 23 lengths second last in a Handicap next time out.
Other than Godolphin buying into Swiss Storm, there is pretty much zero evidence to be confident about the horse. Elsworth has done next to nothing this past two months, 3 winners from his last 20 runners over that period. He has only had 4 runners this past fortnight. Swiss Storm missed his intended comeback due to a problem.
Sorry, but it’s impossible for me to get enthused about Swiss Storm.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Can’t help but feel there’s a lot of hype around this race. Swiss Storm 16-1 seems very tempting to me even if there are huge stamina doubts. Wasn’t he one of the best two year olds from last year? Now he seems forgotten.
No, Swiss Storm was nowhere near one of the best two year olds from last year. He was a maiden winner rated 89, whose form has nothing to recommend itself as a hot bed of group horses. He is a big son of Frankel, highly regarded by his trainer and fans of Frankel. There ends any involvement with the best 2yo’s of last year.
If there is a pure hype horse in the Dante, it is Swiss Storm. He won an awful maiden, one I called awful at the time but others disagreed. The best horse to come out of the race, City Of Joy, scrambled home off 84 in a Handicap race last time. One other horse won a Bath maiden at 8/11 before being tailed off 23 lengths second last in a Handicap next time out.
Other than Godolphin buying into Swiss Storm, there is pretty much zero evidence to be confident about the horse. Elsworth has done next to nothing this past two months, 3 winners from his last 20 runners over that period. He has only had 4 runners this past fortnight. Swiss Storm missed his intended comeback due to a problem.
Sorry, but it’s impossible for me to get enthused about Swiss Storm.
It’s a sad state for the race that the only horse in the lineup for the main Oaks trial capable of winning the Oaks itself, is unlikely to even run in the big one but instead head to France.
Making the Musidora of 2017, somewhat pointless if Shutter Speed bypasses the Oaks.
If you are looking for a surprise in the Dante then you could do worse than back WOLF COUNTRY at 16/1.
Definite stayer having made all over 12 furlongs in a listed race in France last time. He may be a plodder but why would Charlie Appleby run it when they have other Godolphin horses in the race.
UNLESS it is a pacemaker of course but you pays you money and you take your choice and it is actually rating tn pound higher than this supposed Stoute machine!!
If you are looking for a surprise in the Dante then you could do worse than back WOLF COUNTRY at 16/1.
Definite stayer having made all over 12 furlongs in a listed race in France last time. He may be a plodder but why would Charlie Appleby run it when they have other Godolphin horses in the race.
UNLESS it is a pacemaker of course but you pays you money and you take your choice and it is actually rating tn pound higher than this supposed Stoute machine!!
I’ve been looking at him too. Will probably be less inconvenienced by the ground than some, especially if they get more heavy rain today
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