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I almost had a heart attack watching that He looked magnificent in the paddock but never travelled a yard. Only his class got him home.
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He looked in trouble a long, long way from home, dettori was smart not to panic at that stage.
He shouldn’t have been that far back, yes he started slowly but Dettori started to niggle at him and when he came back on the bridle he stopped pushing, then when he quickly came off the bridle he started pushing again and stopped when he came back on it.
He must of known he was in trouble quite early on in the race but he still didn’t do much to improve his position and that is where my issue was with his ride, he had time to get him closer before the race hotted up but didn’t.
The one thing I will say is that given the conditions you need to be handy in any race today and I doubt we will see any coming from that far off the pace like he did.
Great ride from Frankie. He hated the track, hopefully will mean he goes off a more backable price next time.
Cracksman always goes through a pushed along stage in his races and it almost cost him there. I backed Hawkbill last time, but he needs to lead and wanted to be against the Godolphin horse today. Took Idaho in the betting without market but unfortunately for me he put in a poor performance too. Once Hawkbill downed tools the brilliant SDS dictated on Salouen and almost stole it. Frankie/Cracksman coming from further back wasn’t ideal. At the time when usually winding the horse’s speed up today he’s coming down the hill and couldn’t accelerate. Quickening only once hitting the rising ground. Not at his best on this undulating course, goes some way to explain his Derby run. However – taking the dictating/flattered second out of it – an 8 1/4 lengths defeat of Windstoss isn’t as bad as they’re making out.
Value Is EverythingCracksman just doesn’t act as well at Epsom as he does elsewhere . The punter who supposedly had 100 grand on to win 30 must have sweated buckets watching that .
ITV were highlighting Mill Reef , the winner of the Coronation Cup in 1972 , who just managed to beat Dick Hern’s Homeric by a neck , having beaten the same horse easily in the previous year’s Derby .
As the much lamented Dancing Brave found to his cost , Epsom can prove to be a great leveller
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LD73 Frankie said he tried to improve his position but the horse wouldn’t take him there down the hill.
On a conventional track he would’ve done. He also ran a bit lazily at the start which didn’t help the jockey either.Himself wrote
The punter who supposedly had 100 grand on to win 30 must have sweated buckets watching that
Joni wrote
I almost had a heart attack watching that
How many buckets did you sweat Joni.?
and what you spending the 30k on?Blackbeard to conquer the World
Disappointing from Cracksman end of. The runner up came in rated 20 lbs behind the Fav and will no doubt get a ridiculous rise for his run today.
Cracksman was supposed to be twice the horse he was last year and ridiculous talk of being superior to his sire in some respects was seen mooted.
Pushed out to 6/4 for the QE II and 10/3 for the Arc, I reckon a good Saxon Warrior Derby win could see him the new favourite for the Arc.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I agree regarding the arc steve, if SW comes out and wins tomorrow he Will be the new fav.
Mike – always thought jockeys said it was never a good idea to try and make up ground going downhil at Epsom as you should be maintaining your position at that stage not going faster trying to make up ground (as if you have ever tried running fast downhill yourself you know how out of control and unbalanced you get).
Personally, I think Dettori could have made a little more effort from his semi slow start instead of letting Yucatan and Idaho pass him in those first hundred yards or so (a bit like Queally did on Frankel in the Champion Stakes after his slow start).
Considering the original plan was to go to the Tattersalls Gold Cup last Sunday, I am just hoping that this hard race he has endured doesn’t end up having longer lasting effects on the rest of his season – 19 days to the POW is not a lot of time for him to get over this.
I would’ve liked to have seen him win better than that but post race comments means that at the moment I’m not too concerned about his Arc prospects.
I backed Cracksman at 5/1 for the Arc and am on oxygen and valium after that show today.
It was probably a stupid idea taking Cracksman to Epsom. The warning signs were there after his scramble home from Permian in the Trial last season and what was, on reflection, a less than his best effort there in the Derby.
It’s usually common sense to avoid a track where your horse has under-performed twice and now with a run a good stone less than his best added to the record, surely someone is slapping Gosden with a stick bearing the message “Hello, wake up there” written on it.
It was all so far away from the milk bottle in the trousers stuff being said after the Ganay, which hinted at immortality being imminent for Frankel’s star sprog.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
As the much lamented Dancing Brave found to his cost , Epsom can prove to be a great leveller
Yes it can H. However, Dancing Brave actually acted extremely well at Epsom. Understandably held up in order to settle the Guineas winner. Trouble was it turned out to be off (highly unusual for for the race) very slow early fractions. ie Starkey trying to make up an enormous amount of ground at the same time as Sharastani quickened from near the front. From an impossible position Dancing Brave showed a remarkable burst of sheer speed all the way up the straight. One of the greatest performances by any horse in The Derby, let alone a losing one.
Value Is EverythingSteve,
You said before the race:If he’s still got 4 legs it’s surely about how far?
Now, you say:
It was probably a stupid idea taking Cracksman to Epsom. The warning signs were there after his scramble home from Permian in the Trial last season and what was, on reflection, a less than his best effort there in the Derby.
It’s usually common sense to avoid a track where your horse has under-performed twice and now with a run a good stone less than his best added to the record, surely someone is slapping Gosden with a stick bearing the message “Hello, wake up there” written on it.
Cracksman’s performance in The Derby was – at that time – his best performance. So was his Epsom Listed victory – at that time – his best performance. It was (as your earlier post indicates) far from obvious beforehand he’d under-perform today… And even if below form he still won.
Why does a horse always need to have perfect conditions in order to run anyway? With Gosden’s Enable under a cloud, this was Cracksman’s obvious target, even with it not being perfect for the horse.
Value Is EverythingIt was all so far away from the milk bottle in the trousers stuff being said after the Ganay, which hinted at immortality being imminent for Frankel’s star sprog.
Who said that? How is beating Wren’s Day 4 lengths anything like “hinting at immortality”? Third and fourth, Cloth Of Stars (given plenty to do and as previously this term) below form and Rhododendron (like so many AOB horses) obviously below form on reappearance. If anything today was a better performance than Longchamp.
So may be Cracksman should avoid the Arc?
Value Is Everything
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