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I’ve taken the 4/1 on Barney Roy as I think he starts much shorter on Saturday. My concern would be the likely Ballydoyle tactics as I assume they will want to make it as much of a test of stamina as possible to play into COM’s hands (hooves).
I think that at the price ORDEROFTHEGARTER looks very decent value.
He looked to have trained on from a promising 2 year old when he ran out a good
winner at Naas in March. He looked even better the following month when he breezed
to victory in the 2000 Guineas Trial at Leopardstowm, without breaking sweat. He was
a little disappointing at Deauville next time out but ran a decent race 3 weeks later
in the Prix Du Jockey Club at Chantilly in June, where he was slightly impeded at the
death and maybe should have finished a bit closer than the 3 lengths he was behind
Brametot and Waldgeist. Last time out in the Hampton Court Stakes at Royal Ascot, he
went off favourite and was cutting down the winner, Benbatl, in the final furlong
but came up a 1/2 length short. I’ve watched it back a few times, and I think he did
really well considering he had a bit of a barging match not long after the start and
then had to be pulled widest of all to get a run, whereas the winner had the run of the
race just in behind the leading pair. I backed him on Sunday at 33/1 (put up in the
ante post thread), but the 25/1 that’s still available will be long gone come Saturday.
I can see him going off a quarter those odds and I fancy his chances a lot
I am a huge fan of the horse BigG, and I bet him for the derby and the guineas, but it was not to be. I do not have to add anymore and I have had a few pounds at the 33-1 mainly for the reasons you have given. I hope he gives us a bit of excitement.
Lot is going to depend on the ground.
Will Barney Roy or Jack Hobbs be Godolphin’s representitive? Latter didn’t seem to move correctly at Ascot on the firmest he’s faced. Carried head awkwardly and in contrast to Dubai he was held up and failed to settle. Going and being too free are valid excuses for any horse; although am not fully conviced of Jack’s temperament these days seems to be forgotten about here. Take the Prince Of Wales out and he’d start favourite on Saturday. Barney Roy hasn’t raced on a soft surface and not only would he need to act on it, also would place more emphasis on stamina. Certainly finishes his races off as if he’ll stay further. Prefer 2000 Guineas form to Derby and on the firm side of good I’d expect the Hannon horse to start favourite.4/1 Barney Roy and 14/1 Jack Hobbs both look excellent value, but only one is likely to turn up (so combined odds of 11/4) I’ll leave the race alone for now.
surely jack hobbs is rubbish. would get lapped by the three year olds imo.
surely jack hobbs is rubbish. would get lapped by the three year olds imo.
Jack Hobbs best form is imo as good as any of these, Judge.
Golden Horn was one of the best Derby winners in recent times. Take him out of that race and Jack Hobbs would’ve won the premier classic by 4 1/2 lengths from Storm the Stars. Confirmed the form by beating the same horse by 5 in Irish Derby. STS also confirming it by going on to victory in the Voltigeur. Jack Hobbs then came back from a pelvic injury in last year’s Champion Stakes. Finished 3rd, within 1 3/4 lengths of 2nd Arc winner Found (when somewhere near her best) and a total of 3 3/4 from Horse Of The Year, Almanzour. How many (if any) of Saurday’s rivals would be good enough to get that close to Golden Horn, Found and Almanzour?… And who (if any) could beat Seventh Heaven by 2 1/4 lengths in the Sheema Classic?
It’s not Jack Hobbs “ability” that makes his chance worse than Cliffs Of Moher, Eminent, Ulysees and Decorated Knight. It’s likelihood of running, poor performance at Royal Ascot and how (un)predictable he is of producing that ability. Was there a valid excuse for Ascot? If so Jack Hobbs would be an excellent bet.
Value Is EverythingI think he’s overrated ginger. I guess I’m biased as I backed him last time and he stunk the place out.
surely jack hobbs is rubbish. would get lapped by the three year olds imo.
Jack Hobbs best form is imo as good as any of these, Judge.
Golden Horn was one of the best Derby winners in recent times. Take him out of that race and Jack Hobbs would’ve won the premier classic by 4 1/2 lengths from Storm the Stars. Confirmed the form by beating the same horse by 5 in Irish Derby. STS also confirming it by going on to victory in the Voltigeur. Jack Hobbs then came back from a pelvic injury in last year’s Champion Stakes. Finished 3rd, within 1 3/4 lengths of 2nd Arc winner Found (when somewhere near her best) and a total of 3 3/4 from Horse Of The Year, Almanzour. How many (if any) of Saurday’s rivals would be good enough to get that close to Golden Horn, Found and Almanzour?… And who (if any) could beat Seventh Heaven by 2 1/4 lengths in the Sheema Classic?
It’s not Jack Hobbs “ability” that makes his chance worse than Cliffs Of Moher, Eminent, Ulysees and Decorated Knight. It’s likelihood of running, poor performance at Royal Ascot and how (un)predictable he is of producing that ability. Was there a valid excuse for Ascot? If so Jack Hobbs would be an excellent bet.
The ground is likely to be very fast on Saturday and thus I would think it extremely unlikely that Jack Hobbs will run.
I think that at the price ORDEROFTHEGARTER looks very decent value.
He looked to have trained on from a promising 2 year old when he ran out a good
winner at Naas in March. He looked even better the following month when he breezed
to victory in the 2000 Guineas Trial at Leopardstowm, without breaking sweat. He was
a little disappointing at Deauville next time out but ran a decent race 3 weeks later
in the Prix Du Jockey Club at Chantilly in June, where he was slightly impeded at the
death and maybe should have finished a bit closer than the 3 lengths he was behind
Brametot and Waldgeist. Last time out in the Hampton Court Stakes at Royal Ascot, he
went off favourite and was cutting down the winner, Benbatl, in the final furlong
but came up a 1/2 length short. I’ve watched it back a few times, and I think he did
really well considering he had a bit of a barging match not long after the start and
then had to be pulled widest of all to get a run, whereas the winner had the run of the
race just in behind the leading pair. I backed him on Sunday at 33/1 (put up in the
ante post thread), but the 25/1 that’s still available will be long gone come Saturday.
I can see him going off a quarter those odds and I fancy his chances a lotI am a huge fan of the horse BigG, and I bet him for the derby and the guineas, but it was not to be. I do not have to add anymore and I have had a few pounds at the 33-1 mainly for the reasons you have given. I hope he gives us a bit of excitement.
Let’s hope he does Kris, I think he has a serious chance here. He’s run well on going from
g/f to heavy, so he won’t be inconvenienced by whatever ground he has to run on. We’ve got
to hope O’Brien runs him, but I think this would be an ideal race. Fingers crossedThe ground is likely to be very fast on Saturday and thus I would think it extremely unlikely that Jack Hobbs will run.
I agree TG, likely to be very fast. However, there are thunder storms forecast in the London/South East area on Thursday. Obviously most areas will miss these, but if one hits Sandown it could be different.
Value Is EverythingThe ground is likely to be very fast on Saturday and thus I would think it extremely unlikely that Jack Hobbs will run.
I agree TG, likely to be very fast. However, there are thunder storms forecast in the London/South East area on Thursday. Obviously most areas will miss these, but if one hits Sandown it could be different.
Looks like maybe a bit of rain around on Thursday but the days before and afterwards are all due to be hot and sunny so I can’t see it being any slower than GF.
I am worried that the latest run will have sent Jack Hobbs backwards. You can probably say that the ground was the biggest factor in his flop. In Dubai he looked excellent and he then never showed at all at Royal Ascot. I don’t like it when horses have an uncomfortable experience on a racecourse. I feel it can sour a horse’s confidence.
Then we have the question of any physical detriment that may arise. Very fast ground is testing on a horse’s heavy, yet delicate body. I just wonder if Jack Hobbs had a bad experience last time and that it might stay with him from now on. I couldn’t back him next time he runs because of that.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
At least Hobbsy is a Halling, which suggests there could be more progression in his locker, maybe even if kept going for another season. I wouldn’t give up yet although a fast ground Eclipse probably isn’t the answer.
I wouldn’t touch Jack Hobbs at 10f, I think he is an out and out 12f horse now although if it were soft enough he could get by at 10f at a fast pace on a stiff track with a one furlong head start.
I’ve been saying all year that Barney Roy needs 10f so hope he gets to take his chance.Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
The ground is likely to be very fast on Saturday and thus I would think it extremely unlikely that Jack Hobbs will run.
I agree TG, likely to be very fast. However, there are thunder storms forecast in the London/South East area on Thursday. Obviously most areas will miss these, but if one hits Sandown it could be different.
Looks like maybe a bit of rain around on Thursday but the days before and afterwards are all due to be hot and sunny so I can’t see it being any slower than GF.
Convinced me, TG.
I’m on @ 3.9/1.
Blame you if it doesn’t run.
Value Is EverythingOn Ulyssees @ 14’s & 12’s
Hoping Crowley keeps hold of him longer than he did at Ascot. Looks a really good race
Is DECORATED KNIGHT the forgotten horse in this if he turns up??
8/1 could seem very large if he turns up!!
On Ulyssees @ 14’s & 12’s
Hoping Crowley keeps hold of him longer than he did at Ascot. Looks a really good race
Ulyssees will probably be a saver on the day for me, Botchy. My main bet when running a career best race last time, but strangely I was still left a little disappointed. Having travelled so well for a long way, being outstayed by Highland Reel is nothing to be ashamed of, thought he’d beat Decorated Knight though.
Value Is EverythingIs DECORATED KNIGHT the forgotten horse in this if he turns up??
8/1 could seem very large if he turns up!!
Big IF!
DK Currently double that on betfair Raymo, looks very doubtful he’ll run.Value Is Everything
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