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Is DECORATED KNIGHT the forgotten horse in this if he turns up??
8/1 could seem very large if he turns up!!
Big IF!
DK Currently double that on betfair Raymo, looks very doubtful he’ll run.Atzeni’s booked for Magical Memory at Haydock and he is retained Jockey. Not that it means he is definately riding there like.
I was adamant that I wouldn’t back anything at less than double figures in this race. The best of luck to those on board at big odds on Cliffs Of Moher but I could not get involved at the current odds.
I looked at Decorated Knight and Ulysses here and sided with the younger horse.The son of Galileo was a lay for me last time and it was successful, but he ran an awful lot better than I thought he would. I think this good looking son of Galileo can improve again, after what I believe was his best show so far last time.
I titted about too long and missed 12/1, so I grabbed him at 10/1.
I think 8/1 is still reasonable but it’s a race where I felt you needed to be taking a reasonable price so that you can invest less money and have an interest.
It might be a tricky race to be investing in at shorter odds and Ulysses is worth one more go to win a big one. He was too short last time but at double figures he appealed as the bet over the older Decorated Knight, who is probably pretty much fully exposed at 5YO.
I am a bit wary of the 3YO form this season and Barney Roy is stepping up in trip this time, so not a given.
Ulysses 10/1 and at 8/1 just still the value for me.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
In the past 40+ years, Giant’s Causeway is the only horse to win the Coral Eclipse when stepping up from a mile for the first time.
In the past 40+ years, Giant’s Causeway is the only horse to win the Coral Eclipse when stepping up from a mile for the first time.
That’s only really meaningful if you also have the percentage of runners who have attempted it.
I can’t wait for this race. There are still one or two unknowns for me that are holding me back from having a bet. How much rain will they get? Depending on that will it be Jack Hobbs or Barney Roy that runs? Is Orderofthegarter just in there in case Cliffs doesn’t run? I’d like to know the answers to these questions before playing.
My other thoughts for what it’s worth. Whatever one thinks about this years 3 year-olds it is clear that, so far at least, there is no standout performer. Having said that, the Derby form has held up remarkably well and it could just be that we have a host of 115-120 performers rather than one or two in the mid-120’s. BUT, if you look at the older horses entered on Saturday they are hardly vintage either (with the possible exception of Jack Hobbs over 12f when the ground is right!) Decorated Knight and Ulysses are fairly consistent 118-120 performers. So if you are backing an older horse you are taking the view that this year’s Eclipse will only need a 120 performance to win it unless one of those suddenly improves. That COULD be right of course. But I need to know why neither Ulysses or Decorated Knight couldn’t win a very winnable POW against a horse that is better over further.
In Barney Roy (122), Cliffs Of Moher (119) and Eminent (118) you have three younger horses who have already shown similar form and who are far less exposed, especially over this trip. Do we think NONE of them will run better than 120 on Saturday?
So at this stage I would be keeping an eye out for the weather. If it rains then you have to consider Jack Hobbs (though it is not easy forgiving him that shocker of a last run). If it doesn’t, then I would seriously consider the 3 year-olds (including Orderofthegarter even though he has cost me a small fortune this year!!!)
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Think Eminent is the overhyped horse of 2017. There seems to be one every year. He won the craven, is sired by Frankel, and that’s where all the hype started. But how many horses go on to do something after winning the craven?
Before every race now there’s a lot of hype about his gallops. And Martyn Meade is very open, he’s always bullish, he reminds me of Brian Meehan, but meehan doesn’t get good horses anymore. So attention has switched to Meade and his horses.
I might be seen to being a bit harsh here but he’s basically the same price as Barney roy who just barnstormed the st james palace. Now they are talking about sending eminent on in the race to use his giant stride (in fact barney roy probably has the bigger stride) to me it smacks of desperation. surely if he’s good enough he would win whatever tactics they adopt, they are basically admitting that he’s not good enough to win if they hold him up.
You probably ARE being harsh Judgey but you do make a good point. Meade is bullish before EVERY race. A bit like Aidan and his “he’s the best we’ve ever had”. I don’t agree about the stride bit though. I have been saying for some time that I don’t think the Frankel’s are being ridden to the best of their ability. They don’t really quicken but they DO gallop and stay – so it makes sense to me that he is ridden prominently and kicks for home some way out. We will see if he is over-hyped on Saturday.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Surely if the frankels were that great they would win however they were ridden Joni? I don’t see people discussing the Galileo stock and how they should be sent on or held up etc.
Surely if the frankels were that great they would win however they were ridden Joni? I don’t see people discussing the Galileo stock and how they should be sent on or held up etc.
Eminent is a big horse with a long stride, Judge. Therefore it’s highly likely he’s unable to use that long stride optimally when in behind horses (not enough room). So I can understand them thinking he’ll be best ridden prominently when able to use that stride. Good Galileos usually have a good, very fluent stride, but not as long as some Frankels, so don’t often have that problem.
Value Is EverythingThe ground is likely to be very fast on Saturday and thus I would think it extremely unlikely that Jack Hobbs will run.
I agree TG, likely to be very fast. However, there are thunder storms forecast in the London/South East area on Thursday. Obviously most areas will miss these, but if one hits Sandown it could be different.
Looks like maybe a bit of rain around on Thursday but the days before and afterwards are all due to be hot and sunny so I can’t see it being any slower than GF.
Convinced me, TG.
I’m on @ 3.9/1.
Blame you if it doesn’t run.
With rain now actually in the Esher forecast I’ve bottled it. Discretion is the best part of valour and all that.
Laid Barney Roy back – just in case. Can always go in again once final decs come in.Value Is EverythingAgreed, if they were all like Dad they would win no matter what. As it is, jockeys have to find a way to ride them to their optimum which with some means letting them use their most potent weapon – their stride.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Didn’t Dancing brave have a long stride? he was a hold up horse and seemed to do well.
Arrogate also a long stride (apparently the longest stride of any top class horse recorded for years) and also often gets held up.
Barney roy a long stride and gets held up.
Clearly the bigger problem with a horse that keeps getting beat is not the tactics, but whether they are good enough.
If you just listened to the markets then it’s looking more likely that Mr Hobbs will run and less likely that Mr Roy will be taking part at the moment.
Looking at BBC Weather, it’s looking 50-50 for rain tomorrow morning but if a drop does land in Esher then expect buckets to follow.
If you just listened to the markets then it’s looking more likely that Mr Hobbs will run and less likely that Mr Roy will be taking part at the moment.
Looking at BBC Weather, it’s looking 50-50 for rain tomorrow morning but if a drop does land in Esher then expect buckets to follow.
Agreed Charles, I think it is 50-50 which Godolphin horse turns up.
If Barney Roy runs then 4/1 is going to look massive. Ditto 12/1 Jack Hobbs. I backed BR to win well over £400 @ an average price of 4/1 and now laid it all back @ an average of 4.17/1.
Can’t see them both taking part.
BR has the Jean Prat as an alternative and JH the King George.Value Is Everything
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