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    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    Nathan, what makes you think that Barry Connell would swerve a battle even with an unbeaten Marine Nationale? Unless he sends him chasing.

    #1663647
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Marine Nationale is good but even Barry knows he wouldn’t get within 10 lengths of Constitution Hill
    I’m not convinced his Supreme win was as good as it looked.. Facile Vega needed to commit sooner and still would have lost but that horse had a horrible prep

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    #1663649
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    I agree with you on that, Nathan. But nevertheless the Supreme was quite a decent renewal in 2023. There could be more to come from Barry’s horse.
    Good luck with your holiday vacation, if everything has gone on CH. It could turn out to be just a weekend trip…..

    #1663650
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    For me the Champion Chase really falls in between several stalls and tends to end up almost being a consolation prize for horse that really didn’t fit into more preferred targets.

    If you have a 2m horse that is either not quick enough for a Champion Hurdle or falls just below that class (thus excluding handicaps from being a viable option) then the Champion Chase is an alternative option to look at because a bigger emphasis is put on jumping/stamina (assuming your horse takes to fences) and thus you don’t have to be as naturally quick. This also explains the reason a lot of Champion Chase winners (pre Ryanair Chase days) were quite capable of winning over further than 2m but were not sufficiently stamina ladened enough to stay the Gold Cup trip.

    If you have a chasing prospect, we know the Gold Cup and not the Champion Chase is ideally your endgame goal but then if your horse doesn’t stay the alternative might have been to look to drop back in trip like One Man did (and Florida Pearl tried to do) to win a Champion Chase….obviously with the Ryanair Chase pretty much ever non stayers goes there instead of looking at the Champion Chase.

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    Correct decision in my opinion.

    #1663654
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    The easy choice and the right choice; it takes a unique blend of speed, stamina, fortitude, and good fortune to complete the CH/GC double. C Hill has the speed, but maybe not the other qualities.
    Underlines again the heirarchy of prestige; GC, then CH, then 2MCC, and trailing behind, the stayer’s hurdle.

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    If you take the view 12/1 to never win another Champion Hurdle in practical terms might not be entirely dissimilar to laying 1/12 (1.08) Constitution Hill to win the 2024 Champion Hurdle, perhaps the bet looks different.

    Far from being a terrible wager, I consider the 12/1 an absolute “rick” by William Hill.

    So much can go wrong in this game.

    And 7/2 for two would be my second preference – he’s 1/2 to win next March and may yet go chasing if he wins that.

    4/6 three is absolutely shocking value.

    Imagine tying up £3,000 to win £2,000 and having to sweat it out for years on him winning exactly two more.

    You’d be a lot safer putting the cash in an ISA.

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    If you took 12s for him to only win one Champion Hurdle when does it pay out? Could be a long wait he is only a young horse.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1663665
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    “What great bets we are offered these days”. :negative:

    Agreed, value is not everything

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    “If you took 12s for him to only win one Champion Hurdle when does it pay out?”

    It doesn’t, you throw the ticket on to the log burner in the middle of March
    in case of a mishap you get paid when the horse is retired

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    The 12/1 would payout when the horse is racing in the sky !

    #1663670
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    Impaire Et Passe and State Man staying over hurdles to take on CH.

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    #1663672
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    State Man could start now and wouldn’t beat CH. Impaire Et Passe is the only equine threat to the champ (Marine Nationale is supposed to be going chasing), but he will need to improve at least a stone and a half to get anywhere near CH.

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    State Man is very underrated just because The Hill beat him handily. He’s a top class 2m hurdler in his own right and would’ve won plenty of the previous Champion Hurdle renewals.

    Impaire et Passe looked far from a 2 miler at Punchestown.

    #1663674
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    We need to see how they all perform when they return, must admit I thought State Man would take the fencing route.

    The more I know the less I understand.

    #1663675
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    What’s Mullins going to do tactically
    Impaire et Passe will want a strong pace as he looks to be a strong stayer but that will also bring the best out of Constitution Hill
    They let him make the running and State Man didn’t get near him
    Good news though as it will hold the price up enough to float into multiples

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