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    BTW A Plus Tard won the most prestigious NH race by 15 lengths, and going away all th time; the chances of C Hill (or even Facile Vega) being good enough even to take part in a Gold Cup are small.
    We do love our morning glories.

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    A “morning glory” is a reference to a horse which works well at home, but is unproven on the track.

    That hardly applies to a Cheltenham Festival winner.

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    Samcro, Envoi Allen…..

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    They weren’t “morning glories” either.

    They might not have gone on to be as good as some hoped, but both were Grade 1 Ballymore winners at the Cheltenham Festival.

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    “the chances of C Hill (or even Facile Vega) being good enough even to take part in a Gold Cup are small.”

    Perhaps that is because they are not Gold Cup horses

    A bit like saying Liverpool won’t win the Spanish league

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    “A bit like saying Liverpool won’t win the Spanish league”

    Won’t they?

    I wondered why they let me have 33/1!

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    They would walk it if doing a Swansea and Cardiff and allowed in to play in a league they are not based in
    can’t see that happening soon so hope its one of those long term bets
    might need handing down through the family tree

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    I guess I’ll just have to bank on Liverpool landing my other big odds ante-post bet in the World Cup in Qatar, then.

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    Samcro won two Grade 1s at the festival. He won the Marsh Chase in 2020 after his Ballymore triumph two years earlier.

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    NOT a Morning Glory, then.

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    https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/no-decision-made-as-nicky-henderson-tries-to-solve-constitution-hill-conundrum/550139

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    If you look far enough back Samcro seemed to enjoy the national fences ……back for a bechers maybe , maybe that jockey choice wasn’t so surprising

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    T”hey weren’t “morning glories” either.

    They might not have gone on to be as good as some hoped, but both were Grade 1 Ballymore winners at the Cheltenham Festival.”

    It’s a novice race. The Marsh is a novice race too. Ferny Hollow and Appreciate it (for example) are currently also morning glories. Envoi Allen could’ve stood up and won the Marsh and still been a morning glory. Doesn’t matter if it’s unsoundness, misfortune or simply not being good enough, a fab flashy winner of novice races in super times is a morning glory till it goes and wins some decent open races.

    It comes back to Kevin Blake’s argument against allowing horses to have a full season in bumpers, a full season in novice hurdles and a full season in novice chases before they get to the point and start doing their actual real job. I think he likened it to having a junior under 30s football division or something.

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    I’m faintly amazed tbh that some don’t seem to understand the very racing definition of a “morning glory.”

    It has always been a horse which looks exceptional on the gallops but fails to shine at an actual racecourse in actual races, often not winning a race of any description, or maybe winning a Maiden/Novice contest but getting found out at a higher level.

    Novice contest or not, no horse which wins a Grade 1 could possibly be validly labelled a “morning glory.”

    That’s it and all about it.

    End of.

    Period.

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    Banger Nathan.

    Not sure why CH is being called a morning glory, to my eye he has shown substantially more than the likes on Envoi Allen or Bob Olinger, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I haven’t been this confident about a jumps horse ever, I could well be wrong, but I like to think I have a good eye for star talent.

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    Allllllll your dreams are made, when your chained to the Barrs Cherryade.

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