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November 23, 2019 at 18:59 #1475682
Cyrname has run twice at kempton and won by 7 lengths and 11 lengths
And they were grade 2s so not Mickey mouse races
November 23, 2019 at 19:05 #1475683Cyrname has to go right handed.
November 23, 2019 at 19:48 #1475687Both horses ran very well. Would be interesting to see how Cyrname run left handed also. Looks like all his improvement has come once they took the headgear off him IMO.
November 23, 2019 at 20:13 #1475688They may as well go to Cheltenham, if it doesnt go well plenty of time to freshen up before punchestown
November 23, 2019 at 21:55 #1475691He wont do it away from todays conditions
November 23, 2019 at 22:41 #1475710Cyrname has looked very quick and so far unproven over the King George trip. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume that he stays it.
November 24, 2019 at 08:56 #1475744If Cyrname goes close and stays the KG trip Nicholls could take a punt in the Cotswold Chase at Cheltenham. Obviously if the ground is too deep he probably won’t risk him. If he jumps soundly around Cheltenham but doesn’t stay then Ryanair. If he does stay then probably a GC horse. If the old traits continue left handed then forget Cheltenham and Aintree and go to Punchestown for the GC.
A take on yesterday’s race is that NH must be extrememly disappointed. It sounded like they had done plenty of work with Altior and for him to be so tired after the race must be a concern. Altior had not run for 6 months but Cyrname hadn’t run for 9 so both horses could improve for the run. It’s whether NH wants to step Altior up further and also if he recovers in time for the KG.
November 24, 2019 at 11:34 #1475764Keep reflecting on yesterday’s race and I can’t help feel underwhelmed by many things.
Cyrname has just beaten the most unbeatable horse in training yet I feel cyrname is very beatable this season and won’t go unbeaten. I can’t take to cyrname as he just seems a one trick pony. I don’t think he wins the king George even though it’s right handed I think he gets beat. Bit like BDM at Haydock , even though that lost yesterday haha.
As for Altior I believe he does stay atleast 2 and a half miles and that’s not why he lost. I believe he lost as he wasn’t himself. For a horse notorious for finding plenty off the bridle he found nothing. I know the step up in trip will slightly soften its turn of foot but still didn’t seem right to me. I don’t think Altior was 100% himself. I won’t be surprised if he’s off the track for a few months. Could also argue Altior wasn’t himself last season. Is he in decline or is there an issue?
Hate to take credit away from cyrname but for me because of the reasons above and the fact it was only a 3 horse race I think people shouldn’t get carried away with cyrname and also think people shouldn’t think Altior was at his best because I don’t think he was
November 24, 2019 at 12:28 #1475770My initial thought after the race was that Altior didn’t possess the zest he’s showed in previous races. Even Luke Harvey mentioned at the end of ITV Racing that he looked ‘tired’ with his head down in the 2nd place enclosure. Thing is though, when nearly every champion gets beaten, excuses/reasons seem to come out of the gloom as to why the horse got beat. Now I feel that under the circumstances, the better horse won on the day.
Cyrname, to me, comes across like a rough-cut composite from the racing styles of Might Bite and Sprinter Sacre … which ain’t a bad thing really! I think the Altior vs Cyrname battles may well feature throughout a similar period when Denman and Kauto Star locked horns.
November 24, 2019 at 13:29 #1475779It’s funny how you can take to horses and not others , when I look at my favs they all stand out as bold brave front runners grey abbey , native river etc , never been a fan of flashy ones …..lostintranslation is the newer member of my none flashy stable …I have high hopes
November 25, 2019 at 13:03 #1475855I wonder if the people crabbing Cyrname are the same folk who were ridiculing the Handicapping team for rating the horse above Altior?
As for being a “one-trick Pony”, that trick appears to be running and jumping very fast, so a fairly useful trick for a NH Racehorse to possess.
As for Henderson, the excuse (“no excuses, but…”) about the lack of fitness is as tiresome as it was predictable. Nicholls would doubtless have trotted out the same line if the result was reversed. Perhaps Martin Pipe could visit and show this “Genius” how to get a horse fit whilst, y’know, ‘training’?
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November 25, 2019 at 14:30 #1475863Best horse on the day most definitely won. Regardless of how he does it or if he can only go one way round, he’s a proper Grade 1 horse that is putting up very good performances.
Altior sadly could be on the wane, but until i see him again in the KG and then left handed i couldn’t say for sure.
I’m hoping it was a mixture of ground and fitness (Hendo didn’t do his job as well as Nicholls if that is the case), either way the KG should iron out if either of those were the issue on Saturday.November 26, 2019 at 15:11 #1475925Cyrname rated 177 now. Maybe I was just too optimistic with my mid 180s rating.
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