- This topic has 75 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 3 months ago by
.
- Posts
I realize that Steve isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but at least he has opinions- and that’s the key word, opinions.
unlike others who only come on here to disparage others and have absolutely nothing to say that’s constructive.
they shouldn’t even be given a platform imo.
I think most decent jumpers garner a good following when they race to the age of 10. It’s something the flat just doesn’t have at the quality end of the game.
Over time a horse will generally settle to it’s level of ability. For me, The New One is just that bit short of the top. If he is a top notcher, then Buveur D’air must be exceptional.
I reckon Buveur D’air could win a hat trick of Champion Hurdles without being one of the greats. He’s just happened to be operating in modest times for Champion quality candidates.
I have a feeling The New One will fall between two stools in the Stayers. Not fast enough for 2 miles and not quite getting home at 3 miles. As ever, the proof will be there to be seen at the Festival.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
That hatred for people you have never met is not good for the soul.
Eh?
We’re only pointing out that you’ve told TRFers enough times that they/we’re talking “rubbish” in the past.
No biggie mate, and certainly in no way “hatred”.Come back to this tomorrow and you’ll see a completely different converation to what you’re currently imagining, Steve.
Value Is EverythingNot quite sure what you are butting in here for Mark.
I have altered my style since last August, when I was told that I had to by Moderators. I must have satisfied their request or I would not be here now.
If you want to keep dragging up old events then we can never move forward. I am making a conscious effort not to upset people. I am posting my opinions but it seems some people feel upset when you talk about certain horses and trainers. That’s something I find odd myself.
Anyway, it will always be the case that the pot gets stirred over and over. People who were not in the thread come in with nothing to add to the subject but instead it is for personal attacks. I find that tedious myself.
Sometimes in life there will simply be people you can never get along with and nothing can be done about it. There is no harm in ignoring posts from people you don’t like/find to be irritating. I do so when I find that to be the case. It’s relatively painless but it seems that Caution Poking is too much fun for some people.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Agree Steve that BD is operating in a time without much competition but to say he can’t go down as a great if he wins it 3 times is very harsh if you ask me.
If he’s workmanlike than yes but if he pisses in on the bridle by 5 lengths then surely he has to be considered a great it’s not his fault he doesn’t have much competition but if he wins very easily surely that gives him ‘great’ status. Or atleast explain what he needs to do to be a great? Win by a furlong?Jasolong, what I mean is that I feel Buveur D’air can do the three wins without being an all time great. Of course he could go on to win a hat-trick AND become a great, I am just saying that I doubt he NEEDS to be an all time great in doing it.
I am on him at 4/1 for The Champion Hurdle and I bloody well hope he wins it by a furlong. My sole point at this stage is that I feel he doesn’t face much of a challenge at the moment.
Please, just for once, somebody give me the benefit of the doubt and stop jumping on almost everything I am saying and seeing offence in it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
How much you trumpet about prices Steve is tiresome, you can give an opinion without coming across in such a way.
As Clive has said on another thread, it kills debates I feel, and you’re not the only one that’s bad for it.I agree with most saying he’s between good and exceptional over 2 and probably won’t quite have the stamina for 3, especially with his tendency to need driven and jumping right. Should definitely be giving it a go though, regardless of his small chance.
Faugheen who was called the machine and a superstar in his day ran 3.50.9 in the Champion Hurdle. Buveur Dair last season ran 3.50.9 in the Champion Hurdle. Incredible really that they ran the same time.
Regardless of who he beats or who is around BD is a class act and compares favourably to recent champion hurdle winners.
Best Mate won his second gold cup by 10 lengths. Although he has a statue and was a much-loved punters’ pal, he doesn’t seem to vie for the lead in the “all time greats” polls. He always gets a mention, by dint of having won 3 GCs in a row, but he sort of has to be mentioned because of this, not because every racing enthusiast believes he was a colossus. He didn’t have to be one to beat Trucker’s Tavern (yeah I had to look it up, couldn’t remember).
Faugheen had to make his own running, mind. I agree that Buveur d’Air is class though- he hurdles so well and is steadily building a catalogue of wins.
Prices are everything to me. I need to back as big as I can because I cannot afford to bet big money at all. There is no crime in getting value surely. I only mentioned my bet on Buveur D’air to show that I have long term faith in the horse and am on him as well, rather than criticising him.
I am not sure how mentioning prices stifles debate. Most of the time my bets at big odds don’t win anyway.
It’s getting to the stage you can’t say anything here without somebody taking issue with it.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
That’s just how he is ridden. If the pace was slower the time is slower. Just how the cookie bounces.
I think it just gets people’s backs up (I know it does mine) when your posts go off on tangents to mention how you were once PERSONALLY RIGHT about a horse. You often (very often) tend to slip in a line about whichever horse is being debated, making sure we all remember how YOU BACKED AND TIPPED IT at one point in the past. I just think it’s poor etiquette and comes off rather insecure. That’s just my opinion and something that grates with me, Steve. Sorry if this is ‘bashing’ but maybe it’s not intentional and perhaps you’re not aware of the effect.
I know I’m one to talk about etiquette (I described a prominent racing journalist as ‘an anus’ in a thread on the main forum tonight) but there we are. I like giving it the big ‘ei ei’ after a winner as much as anyone – as you’ve noticed – but I think it’s poor form to still be waving it around years after the event.
I’d have liked to see him miss this race this year…not because I had the runner up either!
Just think running in this race on awful ground can’t do the horses Cheltenham preparation any good? Nige said after he’s not at his best at the track or on the heavy ground…if that’s the case why run him?
His best two festival efforts were his Neptune win when he went to the festival straight from Boxing Day, then his ‘unlucky’ 3rd in the champion hurdle which was off the back of a prep run again on Boxing Day…
The three times he’s gone to the festival after making hard work of winning in the mud at Haydock in January, IMO he’s been a fair bit short of his best! Would just liked to have seen him put away after Christmas this year and gone there a fresh horse just to see…
Cost me a small fortune Saturday and at the time I wasn’t too pleased with Skelton, but love the horse, just cannot fault his guts and determination…
I am making a conscious effort not to upset people.
I am posting my opinions but it seems some people feel upset when you talk about certain horses and trainers. That’s something I find odd myself.
Yes, you’re posting your opinions which you’re perfectly entitled to and I for one enjoy reading most of it, Steve. However, if other TRFers have the exact opposite opinion to you about a horse/trainer why are we not allowed to say? It’s nothing personal.
ie When someone thinks the exact opposite of what you believe, Steve; then they’re going to think what you’re saying is “rubbish”. Doesn’t mean they disagree with everything you’ve said about the horse.
He has tended to be kept to easy targets though, starting Evens and shorter an incredible fifteen times in his career.
The New One has run in more races than any other recent Champion Hurdle cotender and the fact he’s been around for ages is it that surprising he’s started Evens or shorter fifteen times?
If you believe he’s “tended to be kept to easy targets”, that’s up to you. But how many other challengers for a Grade 1 at Cheltenham have run in five races already this season, including two handicaps off marks in the 160‘s? He’s also taken on current Champion Hurdle third favourite Melon… Met Champion Hurdler Buveur D’Air three times and multiple Champion runner-up My Tent Or Yours at least seven times (afraid I lost count). Also took on Annie Power and Nichols Canyon at Aintree as well as Cheltenham. Beaten one Champion Hurdler Rock On Ruby twice, taken on another – Faugheen – at Kempton in a Grade 1 he’s run in three times and never won… Last Champion Hurdler he hasn’t run against is Binocular. TNO even ran in the Aintree Hurdle as a novice. Indeed, he’s probably run in more of Britain’s top three Grade 1’s for 2 to 2 1/2 mile hurdlers (Kempton, Cheltenham and Aintree) than any other racehorse this millenium.…In fact, has there been another horse who’s had harder targets?
Value Is EverythingPrices are everything to me. I need to back as big as I can because I cannot afford to bet big money at all. There is no crime in getting value surely. I only mentioned my bet on Buveur D’air to show that I have long term faith in the horse and am on him as well, rather than criticising him.
I am not sure how mentioning prices stifles debate. Most of the time my bets at big odds don’t win anyway.
It’s getting to the stage you can’t say anything here without somebody taking issue with it.
Persoanlly, I just think you’ve not gone about this thread particularly well.
This was a decent thread about TNO and you came in saying how the race was rubbish etc. Fair enough. When challenged on the statement that he’s never in competitive races, you somehow brought up how he won for You in the Neptune all those years ago. Then you brought up your Faugheen win.
As someone who thinks you’re an asset to this forum, I’m only saying that it comes across a bit ‘look at me’ that’s all. Hopefully you don’t take offence and see I’m just giving my IMPARTIAL opinion rather than ‘caution kicking’.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.