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Get a grip on yourself. Who are you to declare that people are talking rubbish?
I reckon myself and Steeplechasing were probably the first two to really Champion The New One on this forum. I recall making a post telling Joe to keep the faith for The Neptune Hurdle after the horse suffered a defeat at odds-on behind At Fishers Cross. The Twiston-Davies horse did the business for us.
The following year much was argued about how unlucky The New One was in the Champion Hurdle. After much analysis of the race I decided that the horse would not have won any. He wasn’t hampered as much as had first looked and he recovered his stride quickly enough.
Then came “Turnoffootgate” where The Ante Post King and others suggested the horse that The New One had a potent turn of foot. After much debate, it seemed that the majority agreed that any turn of foot must be the slowest reacting turn of speed in history and the horse was simply outpaced before making ground on the tiring front two who fought out the finish.
I jumped ship the following year and with Nathan Hughes leading the Faugheen fan club to battle at Cheltenham, I locked arms with the Legend to spearhead an assault against The New One and the other contenders. It was at that time that I decided The New One was between 10 lbs and a stone below Champion class.
I stand firmly behind my assessment and have never regretted it.
Declaring my input as rubbish and drivel simply exposes how little you actually now about what you are saying here. Maybe I should have expected that from someone who doesn’t give a toss about other people’s successes at the punting game.
It’s the oldest trick in the book to accuse people of talking rubbish, simply because they don’t agree with you and it’s also the laziest.
Very poor input that.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
What a boring self regarding post. Couldn’t bear to read it all
I’ll call it as I see it.
Tno has not ducked so called hard targets and has picked up supposedly easy because he races. Simple as thar
Not sure about the new one for the stayers. his only run beyond 2 miles four he got well put in his place.
“the TNO is a G2 winning machine who constantly gets his limitations exposed in G1s”
It’s Nigel Twiston-Davies limits as a trainer that get exposed in these Grade 1s, not The New One. The obsessed Twister forgot he was a stayer and keeps entering him at G1 level in races for two-milers. Not many stayers win G1 two-mile races.
The New One has run in 14 G1s. Nine of them were at around 2 miles. Eleven were on ground better than soft. Four were Champion Hurdles and the remainder were run at speed tracks – Kempton and Aintree (where he fell once and just failed to win the 2m4f race at the National meeting).
Were his trainer to look at the formbook, he’d find that the horse he thinks is a two-miler has done the vast majority of his winning when stamina was at a premium. His victory on Saturday was absolutely typical, staying on again having made just about all.
The judge points out his Sandown defeat over 2m5f; a rare off day for him, perhaps feeling the effects of his Champion Hurdle run or, more likely, a poor ride by Sam Twiston-Davies who went no pace in front and was then surprised to find himself out-speeded in the straight. Hopefully that was a valuable lesson for the jock come the Stayers.
It’s the oldest trick in the book to accuse people of talking rubbish, simply because they don’t agree with you and it’s also the laziest.
Very poor input that.
Pot, kettle, black.
Value Is EverythingYou beat me to it Ginger. It is an absolutely incredible comment from him, considering how often he does it himself. Unbelievable.
Take another look at Clive’s post, Steve; think you’ve seen something that wasn’t there, mate. How you or anyone rates TNO had nothing to do with his point.
All Clive said is “Rubbish” is your claim that TNO has been “kept to easy targets”, which I agree with him is rubbish. It’s simply because the horse has raced so often that he’s won fifteen races at Evens or odds-on. Has raced in many tough races in his time, with Twister setting an aggressive campaign.Value Is EverythingI’m a bit with judge here regardless of sandown. He just doesn’t strike me as settling well enough and racing in that relaxed groove to be effective over 3m plus
Might be talking rubbish of course
if you are winning all these 2 mile hurdles, even if they are not champion hurdles, then you must have a lot of fast twitch muscles; you can stretch that to 2 miles 4 imo, but very few genuine champion hurdle contenders have the stamina to win a stayers hurdle. Nicholas Canyon last year I guess was an exception.
Some home truths in this thread – a few posters who can’t seem to write anything about ANY horse without mentioning the time they backed it for suchandsuch race and told everyone and nobody listened and it won…christ. Certainly see where Clivexxx is coming from.
Personally can’t see TNO as a three-miler at all, got down and dirty in the nitty gritty of that opinion with steeplechasing in a previous thread. I only hope that if (when?) he is fully exposed as a non-stayer at 3m in March, there won’t be excuses or any more bemoaning of TNO’s career path.
The New One is a wonderful racehorse though. I certainly won’t mind being proved wrong if it allows him to pick up a really big win.
The New One’s asset at 2 miles is stamina; at 3 miles it will be speed. Far from certain to stay the Stayers Hurdle trip and may not settle, especially as there are other natural front-runners in the line up likely to want a faster pace (stiffer test of stamina) than he does… And hasn’t appeared as effective when held up (even in a strongly run 2m). There’s also more hurdles to make mistakes at and/or jump badly right-handed. Twister gets a lot of flak on here for his decisions; The New One may or may not stay but I think his trainer is convinced the horse won’t stay – and he may be right.
Value Is EverythingYes. I would love him to win it. It’s not all about being proved right or wrong.
He’s an absolute star
The point I am making is that I have nothing against The New One as a horse, he was a horse I once followed and whom I thought could be a top notcher. I changed my mind over time and I am only saying things as I see them.
I see the serial troll is out to condemn me yet again. If only they could put up a horse that ever won, perhaps they wouldn’t be as frustrated.
Sweet Jesus, what a sensitive crew. I get warnings for saying something is rubbish but when it gets levelled at me it’s practically a free for all baiting competition.
The New One is not, never was and will never be a Champion Hurdler a two miles. That is my opinion and it is something that is either correct, or incorrect, not rubbish and not drivel.
Now if anyone else wants to attack me personally then it over with. I doubt anyone cares.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Ffs
I wasn’t saying that your comments about him not winning a ch were rubbish
It was your comments about “easy races”
Which I think have been out to bed now
You beat me to it Ginger. It is an absolutely incredible comment from him, considering how often he does it himself. Unbelievable.
It’s just as well I exist, or you would have nothing to write about.
That hatred for people you have never met is not good for the soul.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
To me tactical speed is what the TNO doesn’t really have and it is very rare for a Champion Hurdle winner not to have it and that is why to me he wasn’t able to win the race – if you look at the ones he has run in, invariably he is well placed at the top of the hill (even the year where he got hampered) but then tends to lose his position coming down the hill before runing on up the hill.
We know he stays 2m5f as a previous Neptune winner but in the Stayers Hurdle you could just see him looking like the winner before getting outstayed up the hill by a stronger stayer (similar to the year Annie Power got beaten) as his optimum trip to me is probably 2m 4f. A lot of his more recent 2m wins have come on soft/heavy ground placing more emphasis on his stamina and blunting the speedier horses.
I think if he did manage to win the race you would have a similar crowd reaction to the one we got when One Man won the QMCC – after all those Gold Cup failures.
He’s started odds on in half his races, that surely means they were not competitive.
Anyway, it seems Caution Kicking Season has started again. Christ, I even got a post reported for being happy about having Gustav Klimt at 33/1 for the 2000 Guineas.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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