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Yep bang on Wex!
Yorkhill so overrated and I’m
Not aftertiminn because I’ve said it 1000 times in here. He’s a 2.5 miler horse and he’s beatable over that trip too.
Everyone jumped on the ruby Walsh bandwagon when he keep rattling on about him being the 2nd coming.
Mins bare form is unreal. 2nd in supreme Novices in between altior and Buveur is as good as it gets. Those 3 horses are 3 of the best about right now.
Better form than yorkhill has produced and yorkhill has never even ran a 2mole Chase! Min deserved to be fav and the market got it right in the endSeems some people have a strong confirmation bias.
I thought Yorkhill was an apalling price today too, yes; because it over-estimated his ability/chance. However, there’s no getting away from the fact Yorkhill never travelled with any fluencey today and a long way below even the comparitively low regard I had of him beforehand. So this performance can not be given as evidence for the horse being vastly over-rated – whatever we thought beforehand.Value Is EverythingTrue ginge but I certainlly don’t think he will ever reach his second coming status.
But that’s 2 runs in a row way below his form. I know a lot of people would have him as a 2.5 miler and people will jump on him in the ryainair but I’m strongly against him there tooI think Yorkhill is overrated but has also been managed poorly. One chance to prove his Gold Cup claims and then dropped back to the minimum
I wonder if Mullins has a notion for supplementing Footpad for the Queen Mother Champion Chase if anything happens to Min?
“We’re heading for the Arkle unless something else changes. He was fourth in a Champion Hurdle but we thought he’d be going two and a half miles or more over fences.”
Do I think yorkhill ran to form? Yes, he jumped poorly (as usual) and had no change of pace (as usual). He hasn’t the pace for 2 miles and he can’t jump quickly enough, and he hasn’t the stamina for 3 miles and that is made worse by his jumping. 2.5 mile pace seems to suit him best. It was as plain as day that he was slowing down and running out of stamina in the Jlt last year and he just about hung on. Ryanair this year is the place for him.
So you believe a quadruple Grade One winner and dual Cheltenham Festival winner ran right up to his best in finishing 80 lengths behind Simply Ned?
I am a big fan of Yorkhill (no surprise) and feel a bit gutted because we clearly didn’t see the real him today. I just hope we see him at Cheltenham, and that nothing is wrong. Next few days will be key.
In terms of the race, had Yorkhill travelled and Min beat him in a competitive fashion (similar to way Footpad put the race to bed against Petit Mouchoir) then I would have begrudgingly conceded that Yorkhill was overrated. It is very frustrating that neither side (of the overrated debate) has an answer. Yorkhill never travelled, finished last and something clearly wasn’t right. As such, the subsequent conclusions being drawn from the race hold little weight, but I appreciate those in the ‘overrated’ camp want their ‘I was right’ moment, so don’t let me stand in your way.
Yorkhill was god awful today…
To call a horse overrated that’s won what he has and beaten what he has is also daft….
The horse needs a strong ride, and he seems to get on great with Ruby, i wont say that he would improve so much to actually beat Min or anything today with him on his back, but i do think its pretty important as hes such a headcase.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!I agree Jack I think Yorkhill would be much better suited with Ruby on board, as would Faugheen in my view. I think both would see improvement. That said, something is clearly up with Yorkhill. I’m not a horseman by any means but I tend to think if a horse jumps so far to one side as Yorkhill does, to his left, then they are probably not quite right ie it would suggest to me the horse is in pain somehow. As I say I’m no horseman and could well be wrong but why jump left or right if you’re such a balanced athlete?
Clearly Yorkhill could get away with this in novice company but in open company perhaps not. Putting his jumping to one side, what seem odd this year is we just haven’t seen him travelling in his races at all. Not at 2m nor 3m and I’m not convinced we would have either had we seen him over 2 1/2m as some have suggested. Perhaps he is struggling with some kind of virus because this is not the same horse as last year. Ok, his jumping has always been rather stilted but he always seemed to have some energy to burn.
Let’s hope we see him return to some form soon.
So you believe a quadruple Grade One winner and dual Cheltenham Festival winner ran right up to his best in finishing 80 lengths behind Simply Ned?
Well said SC
Min should be clear favourite for this on the back of that performance. I think that was the most impressive performance we’ve seen over fences so far this season.
Timeform and I both seemed to get this one wrong, and I’ll have to retract what I said on the Ryanair thread about him only running slightly below form the last day. On that showing he was clearly miles below his best on that occasion. Timeform have readjusted his TFR for that performance to 158+, so it seems we are in agreement on that matter.
They awarded him a mark of 169+ for that performance yesterday, which is probably a little prohibitive in my eyes. Even before their respective injuries, I thought fences would allow Min to close the gap between himself and Altior. Despite Hendo’s upbeat bulletins regarding Altior’s wellbeing, he has it all to prove. Min has not only proved he is as good as ever, but better than ever. That was only his fifth run over fences, there is plenty more improvement to come I would think.
Min is evidently a monster, 3/1 NRNB is the bet of the festival in my eyes.
Ham, I tried to send you a messsage to apologise, but I couldn’t get your name to come up on the address book.
I was deleting the quote that you attached to your post replying to Voleur, and I accidentally deleted the whole post. Apologies mate.
Altior back out on Saturday for the Game Spirit providing the ground isn’t too soft. Please god he makes it, as good as he is, would he be good enough to win the Champion Chase without a prep? Can’t imagine the stats are in his favour there. On the other hand, if he wins his prep race, it will increase the chance of him ‘bouncing’ on the big day.
Hopefully he goes and hacks up on Saturday, not only for the good of the race, but it might help make a book for the rest of them. I will still be firmly in camp Min either way.
Timeform and I both seemed to get this one wrong, and I’ll have to retract what I said on the Ryanair thread about him only running slightly below form the last day. On that showing he was clearly miles below his best on that occasion. Timeform have readjusted his TFR for that performance to 158+, so it seems we are in agreement on that matter.
Timeform were never as negative as you were, Voleur. They haven’t changed the 158+ rating given for that race.
True though, I have 2/1 Altior, but I agree… At today’s prices Min is good value; although (as said post race on Saturday) Special Tiara probably the best Champion Chase value.
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