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I think I know where you are coming from Aidan and you are correct of course, we don’t like it up us any more than they like it up them. In so many words!
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I think I know where you are coming from Aidan and you are correct of course, we don’t like it up us any more than they like it up them. In so many words!
Wtf is this "us"?
How many winners did Scotland have in the Breeders Cup?
Well, I thought it was the best racing I ever saw! Thoroughly enjoyed the two days.
A great venue; a great ( artificial) surface.
Some dirty die-hards told me they oppose the new stuff, but results speak for themselves in my book. Good times and no break-downs.Some of the jingoism on this thread is hard to believe: the winner was a Kentucky-bred, ridden by an Italian, trained by an Englishman, who loves California.
The commentator sounded like the usual South African dude. God knows what shite you were getting on the UK channels.
Sal seems to be on the ball, but there is one thing you have all missed: this was a victory for the Arabs. Frankie was riding for his boss’ s wife. Each time, he did the business.
Everywhere you looked you could see " Fly Emirates".
Most of this flew over the heads of my American friends, when I pointed it out. They were too busy with their "handicapping". It doesn’t work that way, imo.
Arnie said he’ll be back, and so will I.Watching the Breeders Cup last night I wondered whether, in UK terms, it is pretty much an anachronism for UK punters, barring the Turf race.
The form seems to be all over the place, the use of medication seems a real variable that we don’t have a clue about (I don’t anyhow), the track conditions are unfathomable unless you have a Willoughbyesque knowledge.
I don’t know – perhaps we should just concentrate on Wincanton.
The Breeders Cup doesn’t matter anymore its had it day as far as Brits are concerned. Champions Day is the Big event now, that and the Arc.
Leave the Breeders Cup to the Americans and our second division horses.
I have to say St Nicholas Abbey’s win was pretty sepcial. What a fantastic jockey and what a loss it will be when he gets too heavy. I’ve said before he reminds me of Piggott, not only in stature but also in the way he seems unflappable. He was shuffled back, didn’t panic. Clearly on the best horse but so easy to get things wrong in that arena.
Were it not for the prize money on offer, the Europeans ( especially the British and Irish ) would stay well away.
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Watching the Breeders Cup last night I wondered whether, in UK terms, it is pretty much an anachronism for UK punters, barring the Turf race.
The form seems to be all over the place, the use of medication seems a real variable that we don’t have a clue about (I don’t anyhow), the track conditions are unfathomable unless you have a Willoughbyesque knowledge.
I don’t know – perhaps we should just concentrate on Wincanton.
I think anachronism more properly describes what takes place at Wincanton that at Churchill Downs.
I would agree that it was probably a betting minefield for both punters over here and in the US. Having said that had Turallure got up I would have made a small profit.
I think there were several negative factors to contend with:-
(1) I can’t see why our trainers go out there seemingly clueless as to whether a horse can act under race conditions – if you backed Meeznah and Daddy Long Legs you got no run whatsoever.
(2) A wide draw together with a sharp first bend is virtually impossible to overcome particularly on the dirt track. Ironically the horses from the wide draws managed to get to the front in the Classic because there was no pace inside but none of them got home leaving the best stayer in the race to pick up the pieces. As I said on the other thread if you want something like a fair race at Churchill limit fields to nine runners.
(3) Looking through the form there is very little if any Course form. How different is that to say are Cheltenham Festival?Always disappointing when you don’t get the results you want but I still like the event and the coverage given to it. One of the bonuses was not having to listen to the ramblings of Willo.
Watching the Breeders Cup last night I wondered whether, in UK terms, it is pretty much an anachronism for UK punters, barring the Turf race.
The form seems to be all over the place, the use of medication seems a real variable that we don’t have a clue about (I don’t anyhow), the track conditions are unfathomable unless you have a Willoughbyesque knowledge.
I don’t know – perhaps we should just concentrate on Wincanton.
This "specialist" factor applies to almost all international racing outside of Europe. Racing in Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, Dubai, etc. is almost always around the circle and sometimes on tighter tracks. In this case, pace, draws, and the track are all the more important, and the best horse often does not win.
It was important to find raiders who would handle the turf track. Sarafina going off favorite was ridiculous because there’s absolutely no way she would have been able to wind up in the short homestraight even if she was 100% fit (she didn’t show her form). I narrowed it down to Await The Dawn, St Nicholas Abbey, and Sea Moon in the Turf, and the Aidan didn’t seem to think ATD would show his best so there were 2.
I thought Goldikova was unbeatable in the Mile, but at least I got it right by dismissing Byword; no way he could run to his best over a tight track mile.I do wonder why we bother sending anything over for anything on dirt? SYT ran an OK race but look at Daddy Long Legs form v Wrote? Its a joke.
I would suggest we simply leave the dirt races alone and aim for the turf contests.I do wonder why we bother sending anything over for anything on dirt? SYT ran an OK race but look at Daddy Long Legs form v Wrote? Its a joke.
I would suggest we simply leave the dirt races alone and aim for the turf contests.It didn’t help that most of the Europeans who tried dirt hadn’t had any actual workouts or prep races on the surface. You don’t go into the biggest race of the year like that.
I thought the television coverage fantastic and a credit to all concerned. Everyone seemed happy and enjoying themselves – which made for a pleasant change. Slick and professional without any silliness that is often the case with BBC/C4.
I find Trevor Denman a class apart.
Seems to be plenty of dismissiveness based on the UK trainers inabiltiy to prepare properly. Brian Meehan knows the time of day, Roger Varian got good runs out of his 2 but the rest were largely fumbling in the dark. It serves to make our representatives easier to dismiss when looking for winners.
The prize money means its worth aiming a horse there if you think it will be suited to the conditions. Aidan O’Brien got success because he tried, the biggest failure would be not to try in the first place.
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