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- December 26, 2009 at 12:42 #265560
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I sincerely hope Captain Cee Bee wins this afternoon and confirms his trainer’s high opinion of him, but I’ll be more interested in how Fosters Cross fares following his fall (when travelling well) behind Tataniano at Cheltenham.
December 26, 2009 at 14:29 #265569I think CCB had Sizing Europe beat going down to the last. Real shame he just couldn’t get the landing gear out in time. Look a real good crop of novices.
December 26, 2009 at 14:43 #265574What happened guys? Havent managed to catch this one
December 26, 2009 at 14:48 #265580Sizing Europe kicked Osana at the start!
Osana made it. Szing Europe tracked him with CCB around four or five lengths back down the back straight.
Sizing Europe took over turning in. CCB travelling better down to the last. Upsides when he just knuckled on landing at the back of the last.
Looked grand after the fall though thank god. Hopefully they might reoppose in the Baileys Arkle.
December 26, 2009 at 14:59 #265583From how you describe it then IC it sounds like The Captain may be a great Arkle bet and (fingers crossed) may be back to his very best.
Lets hope!
December 26, 2009 at 16:03 #265613Captain Cee Bee looked the likely winner to me, but I suppose we’ll never know. Really glad to see the horse bounce straight back up and seem no worse for what looked an awkward fall.
Out of the 3 fancied runners today, I’d certainly want to be with the Captain in the Arkle providing the fall hasn’t knocked his confidence that much..
December 26, 2009 at 16:11 #265616It wasn’t a bad fall at all. He jumped the fence perfectly but he just didn’t get the landing gear out in time.
Ted Walsh on RTÉ thought that the horse was simply travelling too quickly at the time! It was unfortunate but its all part of the learning curve for a novice.
I’ve no doubt he’d Sizing Europe beat. CCB is tough as nails and I don’t think you can say the same about Sizing Europe. If you look at Osana, Sizing Europe never put any distance between him after the last.
December 26, 2009 at 16:47 #265636
not only did i back cpt cee bee today but i didnt back him for the arklehow the bookies shorten sizing europe is incredible
December 27, 2009 at 08:17 #265793
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Couldn’t agree more Sizing Europe was already out of his comfort zone when Captain Cee Bee fell. He must have really needed his first run he looked a different horse yesterday.
Sizing Europe ran on Ok but your man looked like he had a fair bit up his sleeve.
I was a huge fan of Sizing Europe in his early days but as Carv told me in an early post some times you have to let go. Sizing Europe because he travels well win run well in the Arkle but he’s not going to win it is he?
December 27, 2009 at 09:10 #265800Couldn’t agree more Sizing Europe was already out of his comfort zone when Captain Cee Bee fell. He must have really needed his first run he looked a different horse yesterday.
Sizing Europe ran on Ok but your man looked like he had a fair bit up his sleeve.
I was a huge fan of Sizing Europe in his early days but as Carv told me in an early post some times you have to let go. Sizing Europe because he travels well win run well in the Arkle but he’s not going to win it is he?
Well its hard to see him beating Captain Cee Bee the way the race panned out yesterday. That said I give Sizing Europe 162 for yesterdays performance which is high for a novice and would’ve seen him hack up in last years Arkle and probably most others.
To say that he won’t win the Arkle is a bold comment based on that but Captain Cee Bee did seem to have his measure yesterday and I can’t think of any reason why he’d be handicapped by the conditions of the Arkle chase.
This years novices are easily as good as the established two mile chasers (in the main) IMO.
December 27, 2009 at 14:02 #265860Sizing Europe wasn’t at his best yesterday – that was certainly evident in his jumping. He still travelled well enough and if you ask me he was idling when he hit the front. He’s had nothing to challenge him since tackling the bigger obstacles and, overall, this race will have done him more good than harm.
The run-in at Leopardstown can often change a race dramatically, so it’s no foregone conclusion that Captain Cee Bee would have had his measure despite looking the most likely winner.
The one downside is that weren’t given the opportunity to see how Sizing Europe would have reacted to a fight.
You can’t knock his record of four-from-four over fences and he’s still a major player in the Arkle. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.
December 27, 2009 at 14:29 #265865
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Sizing Europe wasn’t at his best yesterday – that was certainly evident in his jumping. He still travelled well enough and if you ask me he was idling when he hit the front. He’s had nothing to challenge him since tackling the bigger obstacles and, overall, this race will have done him more good than harm.
The run-in at Leopardstown can often change a race dramatically, so it’s no foregone conclusion that Captain Cee Bee would have had his measure despite looking the most likely winner.
The one downside is that weren’t given the opportunity to see how Sizing Europe would have reacted to a fight.
You can’t knock his record of four-from-four over fences and he’s still a major player in the Arkle. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.
Where do you get Sizing Europe wasn’t at his best from? He’s left a horse who finished 2nd in the Champion Hurdle in his wake.
The top and bottom of it is that race was the first time over fences he’s taken on good horses and he looked beat.
Ian: I don’t know how you calculate Sizing Europe would have won several Arkle’s. He hasn’t won 1 yet and on that performance won’t.
December 27, 2009 at 14:37 #265868he wasn’t at his best because he was hesitant at some of his fences, which he hadn’t been previously. He still won, his main rival fell.
People just want to knock the name. Sizing Europe, knock.
Captain ran extremely well but fell and is going straight to the Arkle apparently, so plenty of doubts surround him, moreso than SE, who, just as a reminder, WON the race.
I’ve not had a bed in the Arkle yet, but SE appeals most thus far.
December 27, 2009 at 14:38 #265869can you have a bed placed in the middle of an Arkle?
December 27, 2009 at 14:50 #265872Where do you get Sizing Europe wasn’t at his best from? He’s left a horse who finished 2nd in the Champion Hurdle in his wake.
The top and bottom of it is that race was the first time over fences he’s taken on good horses and he looked beat.
Ian: I don’t know how you calculate Sizing Europe would have won several Arkle’s. He hasn’t won 1 yet and on that performance won’t.
Sizing Europe’s jumping wasn’t as fluent as it can be and, believe or not, that can make a huge difference to a performance.
He may have looked beat, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that he would have been. As I mentioned in my previous post, a lot can change on the Leopardstown run-in. The dual between Tranquil Sea and Golden Silver today being a prime example. The former came there cruising from the final bend, but the winner found plenty after the last.
Sizing Europe was idling. Look at the replay of him in the closing stages and watch his ears prick up at the finish. Plenty left in the tank, in my opinion. Whether or not he would have called on those reserves in a fight is one thing, but I don’t think he was beaten when Captain Cee Bee fell.
I agree with Big Buck’s. If it is true that he’s going straight to Cheltenham then he certainly has more to prove than Sizing Europe.
December 27, 2009 at 15:02 #265875he wasn’t at his best because he was hesitant at some of his fences, which he hadn’t been previously. He still won, his main rival fell.
One of the main reasons he has No chance of winning the Arkle,the other will be the ground,he will be outpaced!If you haven"t had a bet yet get on Somersby at 8/1!
December 27, 2009 at 15:11 #265879One of the main reasons he has No chance of winning the Arkle,the other will be the ground,he will be outpaced!If you haven"t had a bet yet get on Somersby at 8/1!
So you’re implying that a horse who finished a staying on third in a Supreme Novice has enough pace for a Arkle, but a horse who mixed it with the best over the minimum distance, collecting a Grade One in the process, hasn’t?
I think both have the talent to be thereabouts, but if it came down to pure speed at the finish, I don’t think there’s a horse who could live with Sizing Europe.
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