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I do not see any point in it. If it were to happen at 8f or futher then I would imagine that Frankel would win and if it were at 6f then Black Cavier ought to win. I don’t see how that proves anything other than one is better at one distance than the other.
Back in 2000 some people started saying that Dubai Millenium and Montjeu should go against each other but again,why? in all probability one would win at 10f and the other at 12f. As it happened that ceased to be of any interest when Dubai Millenium had a bad accident on the gallops and was retired. Later Montjeu, the brilliant King George winner that year, got beaten at 10f in the Champion Stakes by Kalanisi.
However, like Cormack, I was quite surprised to hear that Black Caviar weighed more than Denman! I remember seeing him in the paddock at Newbury and he was massive compared to the others there that day.
She must be a bigggg mama !!
Maybe her "presence" would disturb Frankel, hmmm, his mind and nervous energy might be on things other than racing as they line up in the stalls ??Black Caviar heavier than Denman ?
Must be a gelding ! I spoke with someone the other day who has seen the mare at close quarters. This person told me that Black Caviar looks better on tv but close up was, and I quote, "a big ugly brute of a thing. "
As for the clash of the titans. It will not happen but we can but dream.
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Grand National meeting at Aintree next weekend, Guineas less than a month away. Yet the major topic of discussion is a race that looks extremely unlikely to happen and, if it did, highly likely to be a major anti-climax.
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Grand National meeting at Aintree next weekend, Guineas less than a month away. Yet the major topic of discussion is a race that looks extremely unlikely to happen and, if it did, highly likely to be a major anti-climax.
Absolute nonsense cormack, the issue has only come in play this week. Have a bit of patience man, if they’re still going on about it a few weeks you might have a case. Croc only has it as a 1/3 shot not to take place, I thought it would be much shorter.
Have they mentioned the thrilling jockeys championship yet?at the end of the day, if frankel retires after this year, like cecil stated he might, then in my opinion everybody has the right to rave about the clash with black caviar.
me personally would prefer to see a clash with frankel and so you think. a mile or mile and a quarter, ran at a truly run pace would be thrilling.
at the end of the day, if frankel retires after this year, like cecil stated he might, then in my opinion everybody has the right to rave about the clash with black caviar.
me personally would prefer to see a clash with frankel and so you think. a mile or mile and a quarter, ran at a truly run pace would be thrilling.
me personally would prefer to see a clash with frankel and so you think. a mile or mile and a quarter, ran at a truly run pace would be thrilling.
If the race was run at a truly blistering pace, it’d play straight to Frankel’s strengths. Personally, I think he’d crush So You Think.
As Cormack15 mentioned, a showdown with this year’s 2000 Guineas winner could be interesting.
Heavier than Denman? If she beat Frankel, the Brits would demand a sex test like the ones they used to give to those Russian shot-putters
And if he avoids her then she’s sent to the paddocks at least it will allow the Sun headline writers to come out with "Frankely my dear, I don’t give a dam!"
No, deal with it.
The two best racehorses in the world, unbeaten and invincible possibly until they meet – doesn’t get much better than that and the prolonged expectation keeps the excitement going.
The two best flat horses in the world – at different distances. If you genuinely think it "doesn’t get much better than that" that’s a bit sad really. I don’t find the prospect of a competition in which one horse will be at a total disadvantage particularly exciting.
Why can’t people just be thrilled Black Caviar is coming over and let her continue to be a champion at what she does best, while Frankel gets to be a champion at what he does best?
let her continue to be a champion at what she does best
And what exactly might that be?
She is best at what she does. But what she does, is not what she might be best at.
As good as it get’s publicity wise for racing which could do with some positive stories.
Also, a match could maybe be made at a distance which isn’t completely disadvantageous to either, or maybe more than one match at different distances.
It most likely won’t happen, but it makes good cover.
To do that he’s got to run her against the best sprinters around and trounce them.
Just wondering if you think Ortensia has beaten the best sprinters around?
Or are all the best sprinters in the UK? (along with best milers, middle distance, stayers, hurdlers, chasers, basically everything according to you lot)
Only thing that can beat BC in England is the travel. If she gets thrown out of whack or picks up a virus or whatever. Like what happened with Exceed and Excel. if she’s at her best just enjoy the experience cause you haven’t seen one like her come over before.
This isn’t stallion hype like frankel and syt this is a proven freak at the very top over and over again in the best sprinting nation on the planet.
Won’t matter if people talk Moody wont even ask the group that owns the horse i they want to have a go until he has a better idea of what he is up against.
To do that he’s got to run her against the best sprinters around and trounce them.
Like AIC says, the form is there on the board. Ortensia beat an in form and every chance Sole Power and others, and Star Witness came over and matched motors with European topliners. Black Caviar has obliterated those 2 compatriots so Moody knows what he’s up against. Granted Hoof It, Deacon Blues, and Bated Breath emerged after Ascot but only Deacon Blues looks a potential world-class star and he’s out.
But you’re right in that she’d have to win at Ascot and prove she handles the UK tracks before thinking about Frankel.
This isn’t stallion hype like frankel and syt this is a proven freak at the very top over and over again in the best sprinting nation on the planet.
Stallion hype? Wtf? Correction: Frankel is a proven freak at the very top over and over again against the very best milers on the planet. He has so far not beaten but destroyed the likes of Canford Cliffs, Dream Ahead, Excelebration, Immortal Verse, Strong Suit etc… The only top miler he never met was Goldikova, and well, he has trounced the last three horses to have beaten Goldikova in Europe.
On the other hand, whilst Black Caviar has beaten Hay List, Ortensia, Star Witness and co., she has never met Val De Ra, JJ The Jet Plane, Rocket Man, Dream Ahead, Deacon Blues, Immortal Verse and not even Sepoy. And, yet, she’s a proven freak at the very top level despite having not come up against these aforementioned sprinters, but for Frankel, it’s only stallion hype in spite of him having beaten the world’s best milers bar Goldikova? HA HA HA.
Note: I’m not disputing the fact that Black Caviar is a proven freak, but that hilarious statement of yours. If anything, Frankel has been far more tested on the mile, given the level of competition he has met, than Black caviar has been as a sprinter. And, yes, SYT is pure stallion hype, at least you got that one right.
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