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Get a grip David, I said no such thing, I said I don’t trust tweets as anyone with a keyboard can put them up. Some do make the news others turn out to be BS. The story has only hit the press in the last few hours.
Most papers are going with the line "I almost scratched Black Caviar" which of course the man he never actually said.
Those who are insinuating he lied about being concerned obviously paid no attention to what Ryan Moore had to say in the press the next day "
I didn’t have a ride in the race but I went out to see her in the paddock, and I couldn’t believe how poor she looked. She was hairy and didn’t look to have a lot of core strength about her. She looked like a mare who had had a hard life and needed a rest.
Right after the race I said
"I’m just listening to Steve Drowne who had a look at her in the paddock and said if it wasn’t for who she was he would have told anyone who asked not to touch her.
He went on to say she was long in her coat which tends to sap energy and overall she simply did not look in the condition you would expect in a horse trained to the minute.
It seems to me some people chose to ignore the obvious and take pleasure out of insinuating others are liars.
Peter Moody is either as blind as a bat and thought she looked fantastic or he was concerned and is telling it the way it was.
I prefer to believe the latter.
That’s very interesting Hurdyman. What I find even more interesting is that Peter Moody still ran her. I don’t think Sir Henry Cecil would have done the same, even after travelling around the globe. It seems to me, Peter Moody is perhaps a little bit of an irresponsible trainer if the above observations are true.
Obviously if they are true then he would have noticed, so with that taken into account, he took a very big risk with a reputation that could not afford to be lost and just came out by the skin of his teeth. Not very professional decision.
I thought (from the pictures on TV) Black Caviar’s coat was poor too, said as much at the time. A racing pal of mine who’s a better judge of conformation than I, and was there at Ascot also noted Black Caviar’s poor coat.
When a horse goes "over the top" the first thing to go is usually the coat. Therefore, sometimes a horse can run well before it loses its form entirely. If a horse comes half way around the World to run at Ascot, connections can be forgiven if they take a chance and run… Particularly if its form is so much better than any rival and can run well below form and still win.
There’s also the fact Black Caviar came from one hemisphere to another. The seasons would’ve been different, so likely to have a longer/woolly coat anyway. So sometimes the state of coat doesn’t matter at all. When European horses go over to the Breeders Cup, some will have their winter coats or in transition. Some horses cope with it, some don’t. I’ve seen European Breeders Cup winners with a trace clip. Sea The Stars’ coat was going at the time of the Arc, got away with it there. May well have been about to go over the top and possibly why we didn’t see him in the Breeders Cup.Moody should not be criticised for running Black Caviar at Ascot.
Value Is EverythingNaive am I "J"?
Your the ignoramus
who came away with "dubious Hollywood answer"
Peter Moody was a recipient of an award at a gathering where the main item of discussion was always going to be Black Caviar.
Some dick of a reporter latches on to something that everyone was already aware of, twists it and makes a mountain out of a molehill.
You like a brainless sheep follow suit and start accusing the man of making up excuses when in truth all he’s doing is looking back on his experience at Ascot. What else was he meant to talk about to racing audience…….what he caught when he was fishing on Sunday?
This is supposed to be a forum for intelligent discussion but this thread is like a school for tittle tattle.
It’s people like you that are naive and the press just love you for it because without you sweetie wives they’d be out of a job
Oh the irony…
Are you arguing yes Peter Moody did not think about pulling BC because he was very concerned, or No Peter Moody believed, yes , I have some very serious concerns?
Not the best of pictures, but here’s the mare in question pictured a day or two before the race. Does her coat seem overly rough?
An Aussie visitor did tell me that where she had come from the weather would be even colder than here despite the abnormally cooler temps we were getting at that time. Perhaps her coat length was simply reflective of the time of year in Oz?
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ChristopherPHammond/caviarcoatc.jpg
I am not entirely sure what Hurdy is arguing about.
I, nor any other poster in this thread, has suggested Black Caviar wasn’t suffering from something, or that she ran to form.
I simply think that your thoughts on why they came over are naive, and furthermore, i find it incredibly strange that he ran her if this story is true, given what he’d said prior.
I am not entirely sure what Hurdy is arguing about.
I, nor any other poster in this thread, has suggested Black Caviar wasn’t suffering from something, or that she ran to form.
I simply think that your thoughts on why they came over are naive, and furthermore, i find it incredibly strange that he ran her if this story is true, given what he’d said prior.
Yes i agree, something is a miss.
Not the best of pictures, but here’s the mare in question pictured a day or two before the race. Does her coat seem overly rough?
An Aussie visitor did tell me that where she had come from the weather would be even colder than here despite the abnormally cooler temps we were getting at that time. Perhaps her coat length was simply reflective of the time of year in Oz?
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/ChristopherPHammond/caviarcoatc.jpg
You can see the poor coat Hammy, particularly on the neck, one of the tell-tale spots to look. The cloth around the belly partly covers another tell-tale area, though there are some signs there too. The other place I know about, top of the rump is out of sight.
Her coat may well have been poor because of coming from a colder climate Hammy… And before this year some Aussie sprinters have run well over here with a poor coat. Doesn’t mean Black Caviar wasn’t effected.
It’s clear, whatever the reason for Black Caviar’s poor run, it was a poor run compared to Australian form. It is entirely possible Moody could see in her work and coat things were not right. So it is possible Moody thought about pulling Black Caviar out. Although there didn’t seem any warnings in the press beforehand.
Value Is EverythingNelly; thanks for giving us your views. I was very excited at the thought of Black Caviar running over here, having followed her career for quite a while. She certainly had a lot of press coverage and, with it being Ascot and a racing event watched by a lot of people who don’t generally follow the sport, I was raving on about her to my work colleagues who usually ignore me when I mention racing. Was nervous as hell on the day of the race and was so relieved when she scraped home, but I was bitterly disappointed by her performance. Having said that, I was even more relieved that she came home in one piece and will be racing again. It was a great sporting gesture to bring her here and it would have been very difficult to pull her from the race at the last minute with no actual specific reason for doing so. By the way, feel free to take part in the Melbourne Cup discussion when it’s up and running on the ‘big races’ section; I always get up in the early hours of the morning to listen to it.
She won.
Jockey mis-read the track and the horse and she still won.There used to be a saying "Don’t believe everything you read in the newspapers". I think now "Don’t believe everything you read on Twitter".
Black Caviar back in serious training and Moody reoprting her soundest she’s been for some time and that she’s really benefitted from the break from racing.
Wouldn’t half spice up a Frankel-free Royal Ascot if she came back over would it?She ran in a unofficial ”jumpout” at Sandown in Melbourne on Tuesday. See it on the link. No audio and she is in the red jacket.
Black Caviar back in serious training and Moody reoprting her soundest she’s been for some time and that she’s really benefitted from the break from racing.
Wouldn’t half spice up a Frankel-free Royal Ascot if she came back over would it?Only a massive inducement would get her back over if at all i think.She looked good,the break was probably the best thing for her.Probably the Kings Stand would be the ideal race as if she wasn’t 100% they wouldn’t have to give her as much work for it. Maybe if they are thinking of sending her to Frankel they just might take her over, a long shot though.
Repirts from Australia that there is a glimmer of hope that Black Caviar may make a return trip to Ascot this year. Great news if true.
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forget the festival get her down to newmarket and get her down with the frankel
BHison2 from what I hear that would be part of the plan – to breed her to southern hemisphere time.. Id still say it is a long shot though. She may not race on beyond today..
She’s just notched up her 23rd win:-
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing … 2ejr8.htmlFrankel and Black Caviar the King and the Queen of the flat, her fate yet to be decided. She seems so happy in herself now perhaps we may have to be patient and wait a while.
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