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Racing Post website is doing a poll on the the best 2000 Guineas winner. George Washington is currently just 1% below The Brigadier. Just shows how sentiment for a recent death can alter peoples opinions and get them voting for their favourite (and not the best). Wouldn’t have got within 3 lengths of the great horse.
El Gran Senor only 4th behind Dancing Brave, the latter was better over middle distances. Sure Flash will have something to say about that one.
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Value Is EverythingI trust Tudor Minstrel is up there. Supposedly one of the truly remarkable Classic performances. I can`t ever recall seing footage of the race, but contemporary reports say it won by 8 lengths without coming off the bridle.
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George Washington wouldn’t have got within 3 lengths of El Gran Senor Ginge IMO let alone within 3 of the Brigadier.
I can understand people voting for Dancing Brave thats fair enough. Not old enough to remember the Brigadier and I was only small in 1984 but that form is exceptional when you look back on it however you look at it.
For me El Gran Senor the best miler of my lifetime so far.
Zafonic would be the best I’ve seen, his performance was breathtaking.
I’d also mention King’s Best because his victory over Giant’s Causway was also very impressive.
My top three.
1. Brigadier Gerard
2 Tudor Minstrel
3 El Gran SenorGambling Only Pays When You're Winning
George Washington for me, thought his guineas performance was brilliant, Brigadier Gerrard was before my time and so wouldnt get my vote. Its hard to rate horses of different eras against one another but his effortless win was pure raw class.
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Just shows how sentiment for a recent death can alter peoples opinions and get them voting for their favourite (and not the best).
While that’s undoubtedly true, these polls also demonstrate how people tend to vote for events which are relatively fresh in the memory. There will be many more people who remember George Washington voting in this poll than those who remember Tudor Minstrel. While some people will do their research and consult various sources, in order to broaden their knowledge and provide a more considered opinion, before voting, many won’t.
It’s unclear if the vote is meant to determine the best horse judged on 2,000 Guineas performance or that with the best overall record. Zafonic, for example, was surpassed only by El Gran Senor in my lifetime on Guineas day itself but his overall record pales in comparison with Dancing Brave’s. There have been few more impressive performances over a mile in the last twenty-five years than that of Mark of Esteem in the QEII, but should this be taken into account?
I’ve noticed that George Washington is getting plenty of votes in the RP poll. I know "George" has a big fanclub – I guess because many people backed him to win the Guineas – but surely this is a joke. A performance that could be rated 10lbs superior to a poor-by-Group-standards Olympian Odyssey – which is what GW achieved , more or less, on the Rowley Mile – would have seen him struggle to be placed in Zafonic’s Guineas, imho.
An average 2000 winner , not a superstar, methinks.
Brigadier Gerard is widely regarded as the best miler there has ever been, so it would make sense to make him the greatest 2000 Guineas winner. That being said, is his Guineas run itself perhaps over-stated a shade, considering the slow pace and the fact that 1m turned out to be well short of Mill Reef’s strongest distance? I don’t know, I’d be interested to hear the input of those around at the time.
It has to between Brigadier Gerard and Tudor Minstrel.
All the others have to be running for third place surely?
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Brigadier Gerard is widely regarded as the best miler there has ever been, so it would make sense to make him the greatest 2000 Guineas winner. That being said, is his Guineas run itself perhaps over-stated a shade, considering the slow pace and the fact that 1m turned out to be well short of Mill Reef’s strongest distance? I don’t know, I’d be interested to hear the input of those around at the time.
As an easy winner of the previous season’s Coventry and Gimcrack, a mile shouldn’t have been a great inconvenience to Mill Reef at that stage of his career.
His only significant reversal as a 2yo was in the Robert Papin by My Swallow (Joint Guinea’s favourites, if I recall correctly) who went on to finish third to those 2 icons in what must have been the best Guineas of all time..Don’t ask the general public these questions. I see Cockney Rebel has about 6% am I right? Silly.
1. Dancing Brave
2. Zafonic
3. Nijinsky
4. Mister Baileys
5. El Gran SenorPeople tend to think of the best horse rather than the most impressive winner of the actual race. The Brigadier is bound to come out on top.
George Washington was extremely impressive. El Gran Senor wasn’t as impressive but he was probably a better horse. Nijinsky looked as if he was out for a walk in the park abd Greville Starkey had a tougher job holding Dancing Brave up then he did passing the opposition.
Zafonic for me was the most impressive winner of the race if not the best horse.
Had to be Nijinsky for me. I have not seen a more impressive horse and love watching his Triple Crown as he was never off the bridle.
Had to be Nijinsky for me. I have not seen a more impressive horse and love watching his Triple Crown as he was never off the bridle.
Wasn’t he? He was off the bridle to beat Gyr in the Derby.
Piggott had an extraordinary ability to make things look easier than they were.
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