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  • #1611753
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    Entries…….

    https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/3/ayr/2022-09-17/817906

    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/ante-post-racing/flat/ayr-gold-cup/winner

    I tried really hard not to bet Chiefofchiefs early here, and I certainly toyed with not putting him up on here even after I’d bet him, as he’s almost a sentimental selection these days.

    Looking at the 50’s on offer though, I’m now more than happy to put him up. Yes, his last run was unusually poor, but solid enough before that, and with better rides, should have got his head in front. The 50’s certainly hints at info that he might not be going, but he’s got to be worth a go. He was my main Antepost loser on the Flat last season in this, when he was withdrawn overnight. I should be once bitten and all that as a result, but he’s treble the price this year, and I at least know this was his target then. Hopefully he goes, and I’m happy with those odds.

    Justanotherbottle is another semi regular of mine, and eased a couple of pounds since far from disgraced in The Great St Wilfrid, he makes some appeal. A quick glance at his previous runs in this would put most off, myself included, but I’m just of the opinion that he’s actually improving with age. He’s 50’s as well, and that looks generous.

    My old pal Escobar is an interesting entry for this, but not even today’s big run could put a dent in his 33’s, with obvious question marks over the trip. No such issues for same connections Gulliver, and he’s on the same mark as when third in this three years back. Not in great form, but just the type to bounce back. Big price.

    That trio are not the only established ones who jump out, and….

    Sir Dancealot 33’s
    Dakota Gold 25’s
    Bielsa 25’s
    Snazzy Jazzy 25’s
    Summerghand 20’s

    are all more than capable, all fairly priced.

    Blackrod doesn’t have nearly as many miles on the clock as that lot, and was on the wrong side at Ripon last time, while he had excuses when third in The Silver Cup last year, having lost a shoe. He’s interesting at 20’s

    Further down, the youngsters Khanjar at 20’s, and Nationwide at 33’s make plenty of appeal, but need a good few to come out.

    Early Shortlist
    Blackrod
    Chiefofchiefs
    Gulliver
    Justanotherbottle
    Khanjar
    Nationwide

    I’ll try my best to stick to one just now, and fur all he’s risky, I’ll go with Chiefofchiefs.

    Chiefofchiefs 50’s

    #1614406
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    Erosandpsyche is a top-priced 8/1 favourite for next Saturday’s race tonight following his three-and-a-quarter-length second to Highfield Princess in the Flying Five today.

    He would run off 100 at Ayr and was in front of Flotus (112) and Dragon Symbol (116) among others today.

    However, all his form is at 5f and he could be flattered by his finishing position today.

    Plus he might not even run.

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    Gulliver couldn’t catch my eye more if he was whistling , offering lasagne and orange juice , if he gets a good draw I’ll be all over him

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    Lasagne and orange juice sounds a lethal combination to be fair – suddenly hungry.

    Eye-catching run today, I thought.

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    Ian he had a great draw in the previous run but being strangled and then pushed up he middle of the course in no man’s land caught my eye just as much ….Dandy O’Meara at work ….Lasagne and OJ would be my meal before heading to the gallows

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    Betfred 20s 5 places …..I’ve had a tickle

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    Just the 171 left in the race, it would appear.

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    10lbs well in is Eroandpsyche if he runs going off his new Irish rating of 110. Potentially shades of what happened with Son Of Rest back in 2018 when he dead heated with Baron Bolt after finishing 2nd in the Flying Five.

    Incidentally Escobar, Commanche Falls and Summerghand are the only other horses of the 171 well in off the marks (plus the penalty for Summerghand) they got from this being an early closer, there are an awful lot of them who are a few lbs badly off so its always worth checking that out as it tends to fly under the radar in these heritage handicaps.

    Tough task for Commanche off top weight, it can be done but Brando, Donjuan Triumphant and Coastal Bluff who by my reckoning are the only ones since 1980 (thank you Wikipedia) all went on to win a Group 1 so he’ll probably need to be very good.

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    The one time Erosandpsyche ran twice in a week. Come last.

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    I haven’t backed it as yet.

    Quite apart from not yet being a certain runner, it’s form over 6f has been dismal.

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    Brother who’s a handicap shark reckons Comanche Falls is a group horse , oh for the old days when Dandy turned up mob handed and won with the hidden horse ….or Funfair Wane who only won 3 races in his life and 2 were gold cups …all done with a straight face …

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    He wouldn’t be for me anyway IanDavies, not my style going for the obvious in heritage handicaps I much prefer to tie myself in knots for a few nights and find 20 excuses for something and more often than not it’ll run like it should be double the price it is not half :yahoo: its worked once or twice but tends to be a long time between drinks, I think the last one was Bedouins Story in last years Cambridgeshire.

    Saying all of that if I was that way inclined I’d draw a line through his 6F form on account of him significantly improving, he was due to go up to 103 before he ran in the Flying Five for going close in Listed company, only had 1 go this season over 6F since being gelded and moving to a very good trainer in Paddy Twomey. That was first time up as well and he didn’t run that badly and he’s had a visor on since dropping back to 5F, could be the drop in trip but he might just need the visor. I think the turnaround is probably a more relevant concern, you’d have to believe he’s had a tough race in a G1, they certainly wouldn’t have left anything behind.

    Dandy was something else wasn’t he. His lad seems like he could be a chip off the old block down the line, won the Dash already and the same horse Tees Spirit actually beat Erosandpsyche in the Listed sprint I was on about.

    Turns out Mr Wagyu will be a few lbs well in as well in what must be his 20th big sprint handicap this year. What a trooper he is, credit to connections. Irish handicapper gave him 106 from the weekend, our handicapper for some reason only handicaps up to Saturdays racing and that is the cut off.

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    Erosandpsyche NR.

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    Commanche Falls is a star in the Dods stable and goes into this
    3lbs well in after his 2nd behind Summerghand at York last time out.
    He can’t be easily ignored, but I have a fancy that his stablemate
    TINTO, with 7lbs taken off by his very good apprentice (4 wins in
    his last 14 runs) must have a real shout.

    He’s 4lbs well in with Commanche Falls for his 2 1/4L beating
    and 8lbs well in with Summerghand, who also has a 5lb penalty
    for just over 4L after being slow out of the stalls. He’s 1lb
    lower than his future mark, but the 7Lbs taken off by by Mark
    Winn (very appropriate name) covers that and still 6lbs to the
    good.

    I pi**ed about at lunch time and missed the 33s with Bet365, but
    the 25/1 there is still the best on offer.

    Tinto 25/1 Bet365

    #1614777
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    Big G
    Ayr’s sprints favour high draws though; Tinto drawn stall 2.
    No selection from me yet.

    #1614779
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    The draw in the Cup can be deceiving Wilts. I’d agree that the high
    draw maybe just has it, the winner last year came out of stall 25,
    but the 2nd came out of stall 1. 2021 favoured the high drawn, best
    placed lower draw was 9 in 3rd. In 2020, the highest drawn in the 1st
    6 home was 13, with only 1 other double figure number in them, 11.

    So I think it comes down to that old chestnut of where the best pace is.
    If you can work that one out you can maybe rule a good few out.

    Good luck :good:

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    Fair points, Big G :good:

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