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    Gingertipster
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    “I wouldn’t be surprised if John Gosden didn’t have some input on how Frankie rode the race and mentioned that he didn’t what the same thing happening as last year and not to get trapped on the inside”.

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    Very likely ^ :good:

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    #1602675
    FinalFurlong91
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    frankie got slated last year for getting stuck on the rail

    And gets slated this year for pulling him out

    These grandstand jockeys can’t be pleased can they ginge hahaha

    If last year hadn’t happened he’d have ridden strad with his usual confidence stayed where he was and had a beautiful run up the inside

    It was more bad luck than anything wasn’t it

    Not like he sat there motionless on him as the winner made its run like he did on emily upjohn

    #1602681
    Gingertipster
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    Agree FF – with all of your post. :yes:

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    #1602684
    Ben_Bernanke
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    “That’s not “blaming the horse” though, Tonge.

    He’s not blaming the horse for being old, it’s just a fact.”

    I’m going to put my fancy wig on and play judge here, I’d say you’re both right. Though Frankie didn’t directly blame the horse, he used the horse to take responsibility off his own shoulders.

    Like has been stated, he knew the horses age and in turn should have known a horse of its age wouldn’t have the same kick and thus should have rode him more prominently. I get he may have been worried about a repeat of last year and getting stuck behind front runners, but this just eludes to him being unable to judge the pace of a race any more as they were evidently going slow given the ground conditions and it took a while for Frankie to hold his horse up, he had ample time at the start of the race to go more forward).

    But yeah, easy to say all this in hindsight, if you ran that race 100 times who’s to say that being held up wouldn’t be optimal on 50 of those occasions. I guess the gripe would be the inability to read a race as it’s happening though Ryan Moore being the shrewdie as he is seemed determined to give Frankie as difficult a time as possible.

    A fascinating days racing for a number of reasons!

    #1602694
    Gingertipster
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    If Frankie had:

    Gone on the inner following the outsider front runners and not got through – he’d have been criticised.

    “Gone more forward” from the off and got beat – he’d have been criticised.

    Struck for home “a mile out” and got beaten by a closer – he’d have been criticised.

    Needed to go to the outside to get a run – he was criticised.

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    #1602704
    Ben_Bernanke
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    Of course Ginge, that’s why I said it’s easy in hindsight. It seems on this ocassion Frankie should indeed have gone more forward from the start, though could easily be said if he had done this then the front runners may have set a quicker gallop to get him out of his comfort zone thus giving those left at the back a greater chance.

    All ifs and buts!

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    Gingertipster
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    :good:

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    #1603346
    Nathan Hughes
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    Stradivarius still very good, could have been closer or even won with a better ride.
    Gets harder with younger horses coming through but don’t see any reason to retire him if he is well within himself

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    #1603352
    yeats
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    Don’t know why Ascot don’t have a cut away rail for Royal Ascot to help to reduce interference and horses being lucky or unlucky.

    They do for other meetings as do many tracks now.

    #1603354
    Gingertipster
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    e-mail the course, Yeats.
    I did to Newmarket, pointing out how Six Perfections (probably) lost the Guineas and what Goodwood do… and a few years later they tried it.

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    #1603363
    IanDavies
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    “I did to Newmarket….and a few years later they tried it.”

    Ah, the power of email – twas but a few years before it arrived in the inbox, obviously!

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    #1603370
    FinalFurlong91
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    In their defence ginges email was probably 250,000 words long

    #1603416
    IanDavies
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    Plausible.

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    #1603490
    Gingertipster
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    How did you know FF? :rose:

    “Plausible”
    Bloody certainty more like. :yes:

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