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  • #1599911
    FinalFurlong91
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    Looks an interesting renewal

    I like Scope myself at this stage

    Progressive young stayer last year who ran well on reappearance over a vastly inadequate trip

    Kyprios has won two mickey mouse races and is now vying for favouritism with trueshan and stradivarius

    I really think Scope will relish the 2m4f

    #1599937
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    I is on Kyprios 11-2 ew.

    #1601504
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    I like Kyprios too in the “Gold Cup” (note the absence of the Ascot prefix because this is THE Gold Cup and predates all others, including the one at Cheltenham.

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    Looking increasingly likely that Trueshan won’t get his ground, unless they start watering like mad next week.

    Stradivarius has to be the value against Kyprios in what is effectively going to be a match; it’s then a question of finding something at longer odds that likes fast ground and may hit the frame. Mojo Star, perhaps? 🤷‍♂️

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    Scope is another one that won’t run if the word Firm appears in the going description the owner has reportedly said.

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    #1601690
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    Kyprios murders these over 1m6f, but 2m4f, especially if they go a proper pace, is a distance very few modern thoroughbreds genuinely stay (not least because very few of them are actually bred to).

    Stradivarius isn’t getting any better, but you know he stays.

    Ditto Cadran winner Trueshan, though he surely won’t run on ground as quick as it’s shaping up to be.

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    Kyprios is available @ around 2/1.
    Stradivarius is available @ just over 2/1
    So to make a 100% book if I say “The Field” is also 2/1 then who do I think has the best and / or worst chance of winning?

    Kyprios’ form is imo a little short of Stradivarius but Kyprios is on the upgrade and it is possible Stradivarius is at his age on the downgrade. Of the three, the one I think has a much worse chance than the other two on good-firm ground is “The Field”. As others have said, the best of The Field, Trushan and Scope either won’t run or are expected to be not at their best on a firmer surface. And what is The Field going to look like without those two? Answer – quite weak. Princess Zoe the only other likely to be at single figure prices. Mojo Star might be single figures but he’s still in the Hardwicke and yet to race on a firmish surface. If it looks like being softer ground on the Saturday he may yet go there. Kyprios himself is yet to race on officially good-firm, although given his action I don’t expect it to be a problem. We know Stradivarius not only goes on but is suited by a firmish surface, is rock solid in his constitution and is the one at a slightly bigger price.

    Got to rely on the Clerk not to over-water but I’ve noticed in the past Ascot is perhaps the least likely Grade 1 course to over-water.

    Have backed Stradivarius (average price 2.37/1) with a saver on Kyprios (average price 1.9/1) both on betfair.

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    It’s looking unlikely Scope will according to trainer ground against him. And as we know Trushan very unlikely to run as not had rain
    If Stradivarius gets beat won’t be the ground this year he got what he wants, age only thing against him. But he does stay

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    #1602346
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    Waiting for them to pull trueshan out

    My strategy will be to back mojo star and Tashkan at big prices with a saver on stradivarius

    I don’t like kyprios at all at the prices

    He’s 4 from 4 in Ireland
    2 runs in Britain he’s finished 4/6 and 6/8 and I seem to remember that he played up in the stalls before being withdrawn from the queen’s vase

    Does he travel well?

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    I’ll go for the hard little nut Princess Zoe to win, and Burning Victory ew.

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    FF91, Order Of St George won all his races in Ireland up to 1 mile 6, his only visit to England 5th of 9. He then went up to to 2 miles 4 and won the Ascot Gold Cup.

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    Grass, I’ll join you with Princess Zoe. Really happy with her last time, and was same story with her in this last year. Be disappointed if I don’t get at least a run for my money.

    Thought 15-2 really fair, though has to be a chance that there’ll be a R4

    Princess Zoe 15-2

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    Yet another Interesting stat, FF.
    The two poor runs in Britain had occurred to me, but forgot about the Queen’s Vase. So two poor runs and a ruined race from such a consistent horse while racing in Ireland! :scratch:

    Recent improvement could be due to better ground because it’s come on official Good” whilst Zetland and Derby Trial both Soft. That’s still my preferred reasoning, but if unsuited by soft would he really have won on debut in Ireland on heavy had he been unsuited by the going? Admittedly didn’t need to put up a rating anything like his now best and connections seem to believe he’s a better horse on good (unraced on firmer) and his action isn’t that of an archetypal soft ground performer… But the debut was a good enough rating to see him start 2/1 favourite for the Zetland. Certainly an aversion to travelling must be considered a fair possibility.

    Personally not enough for me to lay the whole saver back. However, am now more inclined to chance only half a saver; laying a bit back for a small profit on the horse… With even more on Stradivarius and (as I expected) now it’s money back on non-runners a bet on Mojo Star.

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    #1602377
    FinalFurlong91
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    He’s just way too short given how unproven he is at the highest level

    Kyprios has never even run in a group 2 let alone a group 1

    He’s priced up like he’s proven he’s a group 1 stayer when he really hasn’t

    He may well prove he is tomorrow but no way I’m taking 13/8 to find out, which would have a 15p rule 4 as well when they decide to pull trueshan

    Mojo star is 18/1 and has finished 2nd in a Derby and Leger, would love to know why he’s not had a run though

    Hopefully connections explain tomorrow

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    “FF91, Order Of St George won all his races in Ireland up to 1 mile 6, his only visit to England 5th of 9. He then went up to to 2 miles 4 and won the Ascot Gold Cup”.

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    Eh? :unsure:

    Order Of St George was beaten four times in Ireland before winning the Ascot Gold Cup, Mike.
    Nothing like Kyprios unbeaten in Ireland and three disappointments in England.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    He’d also already won a group 1 by 10+ lengths and was rated half a stone higher than kyprios

    So not seeing that comparison

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