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  • #15817
    Avatar photowallace-no7
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    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Need i say anymore about the ride on this animal today.

    You wonder how some of these guys are allowed to sit on a horse

    #310254
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    I would say poor training from Meehan rather than a bad ride, how he gets a classic contender and Group 1 winning 2yo beat in a conditions race when the horse looks to have improved physically is beyond me and it wouldn’t be the first horse with potential he’s unable to bring to the next level, Lady of The Desert, Crowded House, Skanky Biscuit, Dancing David, Conniption, Nasri, Gallagher, Radiohead all high class 2 year olds either sold or regressed in recent years.

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    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    Bit unfair on the jock in my opinion … first race for over 3 months and clearly very keen from the off … watched the replay again and he was just pulling way too hard and Tadgh just couldn’t get him settled … yes, didn’t help to have him tucked in behind the horse on the rails when push came to shove but had he given the horse more daylight he’d have pulled even harder … be interesting to see how quickly (or not) he’s pulled out again … not sure whether there’s anything suitable at the York August meeting in a fortnight although if memory serves correct I’m sure there’s a 7f Conditions race.

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    I haven’t seen the race so can’t comment on O’Shea in this instance, but I think he’s distinctly ordinary overall and certainly most fortunate to be retained by Hamdan Al Maktoum.

    If there’s a more tactically inept jockey currently riding, I’m yet to come across them.

    #310265
    Avatar photoBurrough Hill Lad
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    That’s a very sweeping generalisation, AJ … I have no feelings one way or the other on the guy but if you look at his rides profile he is used by all the top trainers at one time or another which must say something about his reputation and the way that he’s regarded within the business.

    #310270
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    Got to question whether this horse has trained on rather than blaming the rider.

    Last season as a 2 year old it won the Group 1 Prix Mornay in France beating Special Duty and Canford Cliffs.

    Since then, the fortunes of the 3 horses have gone in different directions, with SD and CC securing classic glories while Arcano was hammered by Dick Turpin and CC in the Greenham.

    That was 14 weeks ago and the horse’s only 3 year old start before today when it finished last at Donny.

    That profile should have surely raised alarm bells with punters

    #310273
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    It’s not really a generalisation, BHL, it’s an opinion.

    Tadhg O’Shea is, for me, a distinctly ordinary jockey and one of the poorest judges of pace in the country. He also makes some decisions which, whilst I have no race-riding experience whatsoever, seem to make very little sense.

    He’s by no means the worst around in terms of the complete package – he still wins races after all – but there are 7lb and 5lb claimers I’d much rather have riding for me (though that wouldn’t include Simon Pearce, whose somewhat comical impression of Richard Hughes almost certainly cost Ubiquitous victory at Lingfield this evening).

    #310283
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    Racing is a funny business.You may turn swans into geese but you won’t turn geese into swans.Ever.

    #310376
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    I don’t believe Hamdam Al Maktoum with his expierance would buy a Group 1 winning two year old without expecting him to train on, I would of thought he had a proper look at the horse before buying him and he was happy that this wasn’t a Geese or maybe he just likes spending money for fun, yeah right…

    As an owner of Arcano i’d be extremely disapointed with how the horse has turned out despite physically improving and would look at moving the horse to another stable.

    #310384
    andyod
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    Yeah,I’d have thought most of the tyo’s he bought would have trained on but in fact it looks like none of them did.

    #310554
    jinnyj
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    Arcano will return to winning form once he encounters soft ground. He has huge feet for a horse his size and would be unsuited by the current ground.

    #310559
    conundrum
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    Even on my amateur experience of betting markets Arcano was definitely not going to win. Massive drifter…was it in from 4/7 to 10/11? Not been able to see the replay yet but in live running I seem to recall someone not being keen to win, was it the horse, I’m not so sure but then I suppose even a non-trying jockey would get much closer to the winner. The question that I have is this:
    What influenced the big drift… people in the know or observations going to post?

    #310567
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    Arcano will return to winning form once he encounters soft ground. He has huge feet for a horse his size and would be unsuited by the current ground.

    His huge feet seemed to cope well enough on similar or arguably faster ground when he won the Morny. I suspect he was suffered from an affliction known as ‘Meehaned’, it’s when horses don’t turn up for suitable races despite the trainer insisting there’s nothing wrong with him. He may have caught it from Crowded House who may have himself picked it up off David Junior.

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    Glenn
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    The trilaterals KNEW

    #310574
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    If

    Arcano

    was mine i would put him away for the remainder of the season and let him develop into a Group 1 winning 4yo!Its not the 1st time a Group 1 winning 2yo failed at 3 and yet bounced back at 4! Is it? :shock:

    #310577
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    Arcano will return to winning form once he encounters soft ground. He has huge feet for a horse his size and would be unsuited by the current ground.

    His huge feet seemed to cope well enough on similar or arguably faster ground when he won the Morny. I suspect he was suffered from an affliction known as ‘Meehaned’, it’s when horses don’t turn up for suitable races despite the trainer insisting there’s nothing wrong with him. He may have caught it from Crowded House who may have himself picked it up off David Junior.

    Superb post David, couldn’t agree more.

    #310584
    thedarkknight
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    May well not have trained on imo, but he didn’t have

    that

    strong a chance at the weights on his 2yo form anyway….

    Don’t think Timeform even had him top rated for this race? (correct me if I am wrong DJ)

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