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Well its been a month and I’ve still got no further with the question than establishing it is indeed a picture of a horse!
So while we wait for a clue:
In which year was the Grand National first run on a Saturday?
I’m guessing 1947, on the flimsy basis that I think I read it somewhere sometime, but can’t remember the source.
At the request of Clement Atlee in the interests of British industry, 1947 was the first year the GN was scheduled for and took place on a Sat, Seasider. However, on one previous occasion the GN was postponed for a few days due to adverse conditions and was eventually run on a Sat in intermittent snow driven in on biting high winds. If its any help one of the horses who made the frame had a somewhat apt name.
It was an even longer time ago that I can remember Songedor running. I’ve been trying to think who trained him and somewhere in the back of my mind I can recall it was a decent trainer, perhaps Towser Gosden or Jeremy Tree but only because I seem to remember Jimmy Lindley riding it.
Songedor was trained by Charles Pratt at Lambourn as a two-year-old, and then moved to Matt Feakes for his three-year-old and four-year-old seasons.
Charles Pratt was killed in an airplane crash on the way back from a race meeting. He was the younger brother of Willie Pratt whose mother was a sister to Fred Archer, and two of whose daughters married Jack Watts and Humphrey Cottrill. Willie was a very well regarded jockey with a long career, and was notable for winning the Cesarewitch as a jockey in in 1893 on Red Eyes in a dead-heat, and as a trainer with Whiteway in 1947. (Source: Jockeypedia). Plenty of options there for questions to identify the present day racing people with roots to the Pratts and Archers?
Songedor stood for a latter part of his stud career not far from where I grew up, at Little Weighton Hall. It was a hotel and we went there for dinner one evening (I aged about 13 and my parents) I was disappointed not to go and see Songedor, I expect he was in bed by then.
This gelding was not beaten far in a Hennessy.
The silks were taken over by the owner’s son who owned a Group One flat winner.……. The trainer was an established top class NH trainer with most success in the chasing sphere.
The G1 winner in the owner’s sons name came during a later decade with a different trainer.
<p abp=”317″>It was an even longer time ago that I can remember Songedor running. I’ve been trying to think who trained him and somewhere in the back of my mind I can recall it was a decent trainer, perhaps Towser Gosden or Jeremy Tree but only because I seem to remember Jimmy Lindley riding it.
<p abp=”318″>Songedor was trained by Charles Pratt at Lambourn as a two-year-old, and then moved to Matt Feakes for his three-year-old and four-year-old seasons.
<p abp=”319″>Charles Pratt was killed in an airplane crash on the way back from a race meeting. He was the younger brother of Willie Pratt whose mother was a sister to Fred Archer, and two of whose daughters married Jack Watts and Humphrey Cottrill. Willie was a very well regarded jockey with a long career, and was notable for winning the Cesarewitch as a jockey in in 1893 on Red Eyes in a dead-heat, and as a trainer with Whiteway in 1947. (Source: Jockeypedia). Plenty of options there for questions to identify the present day racing people with roots to the Pratts and Archers?
Thanks for that since it may show that it was indeed Lindley who rode Songedor. If I remember, correctly, he often rode for Matt Feakes, which may also be the reason he rode for Towser. It would be nice if the racing channels looked at stuff like this, rather than just standing giggling.
I am a member of a couple of racing groups on Facebook. Every time they run a poll either Frankel or Red Rum wins because few members are aware of any horses from the past , even the great ones. There are many who have never heard of Hyperion or Nearco and we can forget Tulyar and Pinza and Son in Law etc. I did the Christmas Quiz and hardly anyone could answer the questions. I made it quite hard because there were a lot of industry people in the group, if I do it this year it will be easier.
I quite agree about ITV though, Chapman is reminding me so much of Alan Partridge, it occurs to me that he wants to be like Alan Partridge and it’s deliberate. I noticed someone had Flying Childers as a filly and the fillies in the Sceptre Stakes were referred to as he.
If they are going to refrain from showing them all the horses pre-race then I would prefer they use this time to little films of famous horses and people from the past. Of course giggling and joshing do not require the work of a paid researcher, but it would surely engage more people in our sport?I think I may have found the answer to the Songedor/Lindley question. Lindley married Matt Feakes’ daughter.. Funny how you can have a decent recall of fifty and sixty years ago but can’t remember a winner from yesterday.
This gelding was not beaten far in a Hennessy.
The silks were taken over by the owner’s son who owned a Group One flat winner.……. The trainer was an established top class NH trainer with most success in the chasing sphere.
The G1 winner in the owner’s sons name came during a later decade with a different trainer.
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Nathan,your answer fits the question and it’s my fault for not realising more than one fits the bill.Therefore, well done as I cannot deny it is the correct answer though mine was an animal that ran in a 1970’s Hennessy, went very close, also ran in a King George, Gold Cup and Grand National. And the trainer did not train any Champion Hurdle winners and the bias towards the chasers was a notable one. The son owned a Group One winning horse in England during a later decade.
Cheers, must mention the G1 flat winning horse was female. The trainer not accustomed to success at the highest level.
<p abp=”422″>I am a member of a couple of racing groups on Facebook. Every time they run a poll either Frankel or Red Rum wins because few members are aware of any horses from the past , even the great ones. There are many who have never heard of Hyperion or Nearco and we can forget Tulyar and Pinza and Son in Law etc. I did the Christmas Quiz and hardly anyone could answer the questions. I made it quite hard because there were a lot of industry people in the group, if I do it this year it will be easier.<br abp=”423″>
I quite agree about ITV though, Chapman is reminding me so much of Alan Partridge, it occurs to me that he wants to be like Alan Partridge and it’s deliberate. I noticed someone had Flying Childers as a filly and the fillies in the Sceptre Stakes were referred to as he.<br abp=”424″>
If they are going to refrain from showing them all the horses pre-race then I would prefer they use this time to little films of famous horses and people from the past. Of course giggling and joshing do not require the work of a paid researcher, but it would surely engage more people in our sport?Yes it would be interesting to contemplate how some of the modern day revered horses would have coped with the likes of Seabird II or even some recent Derby winners would have coped with the filly, Dahlia, sprinters with Raffingora on a hard going day and even presenters trying to get an interview with Ryan Price on an off day.
Of course giggling and joshing do not require the work of a paid researcher
Shouldn’t the presenters have enough knowledge to discuss racing’s history without the need for an additional researcher?
<p abp=”203″>An interview with Price and Chapman would be something to behold!
The beep machine would be in overdrive and Chapman wouldn’t stand a chance.
The gelding was not beaten far in a 1970’s Hennessy.
He ran in a Grand National,King George and Cheltenham Gold Cup.
He started at single figure odds when he ran in the King George
The owner had a very useful novice hurdler in the yard at the same time.
He was a chasing type in build but turned out a huge disappoint over fences.
The trainer was an established top class NH trainer with most success in the chasing sphere.
The trainer did not train a horse to win a Champion Hurdle.
The silks were taken over by the owner’s son who owned a Group One flat winner in England
The G1 winner in the owner’s sons name came during a later decade with a different trainer.
The G1 winner was trained by a handler not used to success at the very top level
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