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Has the dreaded superboost to 7/4 also, hopefully that curse sticks with him and any of the others nail him on the line
“Agree cas, id be delighted to see him hammered, that lulamba fiasco is a joke, i never suggest corruption, but he literally confirmed him on luck on sunday for the juvenile, then comes out 3 days later basically saying it was always the plan to go 2m4 against the older horses?”
—————————-Really?
Did Henderson “literally confirm him (Lulamba) on Luck On Sunday for the juvenile” (Anniversary)?
Henderson does not mention the Anniversary. Luck did. It seemed to me when Henderson was “literally confirming” running, the subject they were both talking about at the time was AINTREE. ie About the short gap this year between Cheltenham and Aintree that’s put a lot of trainers off running at Aintree). NOT particularly confirming the Anniversary. Judge for yourself:…And take a look at what he actually said in the then Racing Post.
Henderson says:
“It was an idea which occurred to me,” explained the six-time champion trainer. “Aintree’s a sharp track and he’s a big horse, I was wondering who would run in the two-and-a-half and what we’re really after is the extra half a mile. I just think it’ll help him.
Aintree’s such a speed track and he’s a big boy. He needed all of the hill to bring him into the race at Cheltenham, which it did and he got his head in front, it’s just unfortunate he got mugged on the blind side in the last stride as he couldn’t see him. But the hill helped him a lot.
Two miles there will be sharp enough for him, and four-year-olds get a 10lb allowance and at this time of year that’s considerable. It also gives him another two days from Cheltenham to recover and when you put all the pros and cons of the two races together we came down in favour of the two-and-a-half.
Asked if this meant Lulamba would be campaigned over further next season, Henderson said: “I don’t think it does at all, I’m just trying to find the right race for him at this time and, having put him in, it seemed the obvious thing to do.”He says “idea which occurred to me”, not being as you say “always the plan”… And he’s talking about TWO miles on GOODISH ground around a SHARP TRACK of Aintree (not the stiff Cheltenham) ALL possibly being too much of a test of SPEED for Lulamba… And the extra TWO DAYS also being a positive after a hard race in the Triumph – with there being less time between Cheltenham and Aintree this year and the Triumph being on the last day of Cheltenham and the Anniversary the first day of Aintree.
It seems to me all those points are fair enough.
If I’d backed Lulamba for the Anniversary, then sure I’d be very disappointed. But everyone could see the horse was entered in the 2 1/2 mile event… And everyone knows 2m on goodish ground at Aintree would’ve been a different proposition to what he faced at Cheltenham. So any ante-post punter was taking that chance.
Value Is Everything“Agree Ham. Even if nothing is going on, racing ought to be seen to be above corruption. The optics of trainers and jockeys being sponsored by bookmakers is terrible”.
—————Sponsoring yards gives trainers a way of making money and there are very few businesses where sponsoring a yard would bring any benefit to that business. So other than bookmakers it would be restricted to things like horse feed products.
If not having that sponsorship it would put up the cost of training for owners and be even harder to compete with the Irish… And some trainers rely on the money so much that it just about keeps them in business and stable lads and lasses in work.So it may not be “ideal” – the optics are bad for those wanting to see the worst of things.
But the alternative is surely worse?Value Is EverythingDidn’t take that 14’s the other day, but I’ll stick with her for an interesting this
Wodhooh 15-2
One of my ‘missed’ punts at Cheltenham, where i kicked myself afterwards, for not betting Wodhooh, so
Wodhooh 15/2 (BOG)
Back to the race:
tbh It’s possible to think of The Hill being a good bet and then from the same info making Lossie the same.At their bests CH would beat L 10+ lengths.
But CH’s best was some time ago, so is he as good?
…And has his fall effected his confidence / jumping ability?
It’s possible that “confidence” was hit at the last hurdle in the International – giving him a fright.
CH is – or maybe “was” the best jumper of a hurdle I have ever seen. Pinpoint accuracy, being able to stand off a long way from his hurdles. But that in turn meant a fall was always likely to happen at some point. But it being the very reason he was capable of such a fantastic level of ability, also means if he’s lost that brilliant jumping technique he will also no longer be capable of his very best…And does CH truly stay 2 1/2 miles? His previous Aintree Hurdle was nowhere near his best rating, although that did come after completing at Cheltenham.
Mullins is in far better form than Henderson too.
Lossiemouth’s form is good, but it is nowhere near as good as CH’s at their bests. Timeform’s rating seems to have added a lot for ease of victory. She has made a habit of being impressive against vastly inferior rivals… But even so still comes up way short of The Hill. When meeting Teahupoo it was a very slowly run race at 2 1/2 – the latter nowhere near his best… And fell in her match with State Man. So hasn’t really beaten anything of note – the form can not be rated highly. Impressive last time out – not needing to be at her best but winning with enough to suggest she’s right at the top of her game…
2 1/2 miles is probably her trip too – although with Salver out there is very little pace in this race and the pace that is there comes from a 2 miler. So in his best interests to make it slow. So if held up may be at a positional disadvantage and can take a hold – could be too free if it is slow. Stamina-wise is possible it may be more like a 2 mile race. Was pushed along almost from the start in the Christmas Hurdle, but on ratings ran a good race against a below his best Constitution Hill. Lossie won the Mares Hurdle well enough, it wasn’t a “hard race” as such, but did complete so had a harder race than The Hill.
Will Woohooh kick over the statues, Yeah? (One for alternative (punk) music fans of the 80’s there (Redskins – Lean On Me). Up and coming racehorse but has to find a lot more if CH is half right or Lossie is 80% right.
No bet for me. At least not yet.
Value Is EverythingAll that schooling seems to have made him worse, taking off way out from the hurdles.
The more I know the less I understand.
Nico made a bit of a pigs ear there
anyone for Punchestown?Gaelic Warrior Gold Cup Winner 2026
No excuse for him this time. He was already beaten a long way from home.
He was a great horse for a year but he isn’t anywhere near that level now. And there has to be a doubt he can get back to that level again.
Denise offered 2.75 = 7/4 about CH.
He was already under a bit of pressure when starting to make his move. He had to put himself right at a few hurdles and didn’t land with any fluency. I think they will be thinking retirement as well. But, the most important thing is that he is okay.
Oh, and try to find a new jockey for him, if you intend to keep him in training.
First time I’ve ever bet against CH.
Lossiemouth far from at her best but she and Townend still got the job done.
Nico is completely finished as a jockey to me. Was second guessing every obstacle and instilling no confidence in the horse.
Needs replaced ASAP.
WD winners.
Wodhooh, a year younger than the winner, defo looks like one to keep tabs on for further improvement.“He was already beaten a long way from home.”
Sorry, CAS, but that is complete and utter nonsense. The horse had yet to be asked for any sort of effort when he came down.
Lulamba appears to have come out of his Cheltenham heroic effort in really good order, and he too did everything we could have asked for this morning, and he is set for the 2m Juvenile Hurdle on Thursday
yeah ginge, he did all but confirm him on his UNIBET blog
And no, they shouldnt be allowed to be sponsored by a firm that quotes there prices, if a firm wants to sponsor a yard they shouldnt be allowed to price up runners from that yard and the yards the bookies sponsor DO NOT NEED THE MONEY
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