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  • #27335
    Trickmeister
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    BHA are to review his use of the whip in the Welsh National on the grounds that it reserves the right to investigate any breach of rules that was not dealt with on the day. I’m not sure why it’s taken them 13 days to decide that there is a need for an inquiry, but let’s leave that to one side.

    Unless this is a ‘one-off’, the BHA must be reviewing ALL races to establish whether there are any potential offences that go undealt with on the day. If that’s so then it makes a pretty powerful case for doing away with local stewarding altogether, and why not?

    Or am I being unduly cynical in thinking that it is purely subsequent debate and discussion that has caused them to look at this particular case? Stewarding by Twitter/PhoneIn/Facebook/Forum/Media etc????????

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    Absolute clowns running the sport, they must be turning people off the game with all this nonsense.

    #500908
    apracing
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    They’ve also announced an enquiry to be held at the first Epsom meeting this year, to consider whether L Piggott was guilty of excessive use of the whip on Roberto in the 1972 Derby.

    It’s never too late to see justice done.

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    tony321
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    I think David Bridgwater is right with what he said

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    seepigeon
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    The BHA like so many sports administrators seem to function with a complete absence of common sense.

    Last Saturday Coleman was on The Morning Line and there was a discussion with Mick Fitzgerald about whip bans. If my memory is correct, this highlighted the attitude of the stewards at the Welsh Grand National meeting and complimented them. It was clear that the prescribed limit had been exceeded by Coleman. Hence I am not surprised (though am disappointed) that they are now taking action.

    As for David Bridgwater, his use of foul language is the only thing I think he got wrong. The criticism of the Stewards was spot on.

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    How ironic to see Coleman’s ride actually praised by outgoing BHA Chief Execiutive Paul Bittar who described it as "a top ride".

    This has all the hallmarks of Jamie Stier’s fingerprints being on it, what a disruptive influence he has been for the sport, should have been sacked after his initial whip fiasco a few years ago.

    The sooner he goes the better.

    #501074
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    Now the BHA have taken to retrospectively investigating whip offences will they do likewise with "non triers" that the local stewards don’t take action against on race day?

    In order for a regulatory body to be seen as fair and consistent they really should.

    Let’s be honest in a typical handicap or maiden of a dozen runners I’d say four runners are trying their very best, four to six are trying but probably not running under ideal conditions today, and a few are being saved for another day.

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    Bridgewater got it wrong in both language and meaning. Really feel for Jake Launchbury, but sadly there must be a heavy penalty (even for conditionals). Because it’s impossible to differentiate between accidental and deliberate. If there wasn’t a heavy penalty a jockey could do the exact same thing – only this time deliberately. This was in all probability accidental; but the amount of future skulduggery would increase if penalties for this type of offence was feeble.

    In Aiden’s case I don’t see that he did anything wrong. Number of taps might have gone over the exact amount; but there was no rat-a-tat-tat that I could see. Taps came in a responsible manner imo. Good ride.

    Retrospective stewarding is asking for trouble. There’d be a clamour on social media after every big race.

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    Spot on GT, Bridgewater was wrong. I am personally sure his (Launchburys) error was accidental but the punishment in my opinion is too lenient. To have that sort of thing be not punishable would be a complete disaster.

    The whip rules are not fit for purpose and need a radical overview. If it’s soft at Aintree our sport could end up looking a complete joke in the most public of public eyes.

    #501087
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    Denis O’Regan gets 10 days ban for tender handling of Delvin Road during the week.

    Launchbury gets 21 days for an accidental error.

    Should the bans be similar?

    #501094
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    Great point. Personally, I would say it would be greater.

    Launchbury has been found guilty of a serious professional error. O’Regan has been found guilty of cheating. This means he had found guilty effectively of intentionally ripping off the Course, sponsors and paying customers who have paid to watch a professional sport.

    I know which I feel is more serious.

    #501117
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    What a surprise jockeys whining about the implementation of whip rules. They have virtually written the rules themselves and are still not satisfied.

    The Stewards did not apply the rules on the day. Why is it such a big deal that they should be asked for an explanation? Had the Stewards mistakenly banned a jockey for an incorrect number of strokes would the jockeys just accept the original decision?

    #501119
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    This farce will continue as long as the horse receiving the offending ride isn’t demoted.
    The jockeys are being put in an impossible position.
    The governing body seems happy to continually keep shooting itself in the foot, despite there being a remedy at hand.

    #501128
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    How is that an easier remedy than not hitting them at all?

    #501883
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    Coleman dealt with, perhaps they can also let us know how they have dealt with the inept Stewards?

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    Coleman dealt with, perhaps they can also let us know how they have dealt with the inept Stewards?

    True. However had disqualification of the winner been a sanction available to them it may have focused their attention as all of us can count.
    Bittar departs with the whip rules in chaos. Racing needs to find a suitable way of dealing with the win at all costs mentality in big races over both codes

    #501912
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    Coleman dealt with, perhaps they can also let us know how they have dealt with the inept Stewards?

    True. However had disqualification of the winner been a sanction available to them it may have focused their attention as all of us can count.
    Bittar departs with the whip rules in chaos. Racing needs to find a suitable way of dealing with the win at all costs mentality in big races over both codes

    My opinion is that keen racing fans like ourselves make too much noise about the whip rules. The vast majority of races and jockeys abide by the whip rules. It’s not a huge issue for me and I don’t think its that big an issue for non racing fans either.

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