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- May 12, 2025 at 11:40 #1730163
It isn’t because of the council elections. It was in the Labour Party manifesto.
May 12, 2025 at 12:02 #1730165May 12, 2025 at 12:36 #1730167I thought the country was rapidly becoming a third world hellhole so why do people even want to come? Maybe it’s not so bad here after all
May 12, 2025 at 12:38 #1730168They travelled through plenty of other countries. Presumably they didn’t like France?

And after Brexit as well..
May 12, 2025 at 12:53 #1730169The newly elected Reform councillors have absolutely no control over any immigration policy anyway. And all Reform can come up with is taking us out of the ECHR which will take away our own personal protection also aka turkeys voting for Christmas.
May 12, 2025 at 13:12 #1730171Reform has no control over immigration policy. But it could control how many Labour MPs are still in a job after the next General Election.
That is the only reason why Sir Keir Starmer, a human rights lawyer who has spent his entire life campaigning against any restrictions on immigration (he is on record as describing them as “racist”) is now desperately trying to present himself as someone opposed to mass immigration, after practicing his I Am Very Concerned look in the mirror.
No one believes him. And it is too late now anyway. Previously Labour could take working class voters for granted, knowing they had nowhere else to go. Now they have – and Labour is terrified. Hence today’s panicked but unconvincing press conference.
May 12, 2025 at 14:06 #1730175“But it could control how many Labour MPs are still in a job after the next General Election.”
No it couldn’t.
Reform has no control over how people vote in the polling booth, no matter how much Farage tries to portray otherwise.
May 12, 2025 at 14:42 #1730177Look at the opinion polls. OK, there has to be the usual caveat about being a few years before an election is due. But if Reform polls anything like those numbers, plenty of Labour MPs will lose their seats. That is obvious.
Anyone who seriously believes Starmer would have made his speech today if Labour had done well in the local elections might be interested in buying the proverbial bridge for sale…
May 12, 2025 at 16:36 #1730185If, as is possible, the choice in 2029 comes down to having Starmer or Farage in Number 10, then anyone who considers voting for the latter really needs to have a long, hard look in the mirror.
May 12, 2025 at 16:44 #1730186Someone needs to read the history books to them.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysMay 12, 2025 at 16:59 #1730187Anyone working, or indeed middle, class who thinks that Reform is the answer to their problems is going to be sorely disappointed. It’s yet another party of millionaires and billionaires for millionaires and billionaires. Another bunch of faux patriots pretending not to be part of the Establishment they rail against.
If the Tories and Labour are two cheeks of the same arse, Reform is the hole in the middle.
May 12, 2025 at 17:03 #1730189This seems more prescient by the day. How badly we have been let down by politicians, planners and bureaucrats. But we have to take our own share of the blame as well.
“Going Going”
“I thought it would last my time –
The sense that, beyond the town,
There would always be fields and farms,
Where the village louts could climb
Such trees as were not cut down;
I knew there’d be false alarmsIn the papers about old streets
And split level shopping, but some
Have always been left so far;
And when the old part retreats
As the bleak high-risers come
We can always escape in the car.Things are tougher than we are, just
As earth will always respond
However we mess it about;
Chuck filth in the sea, if you must:
The tides will be clean beyond.
– But what do I feel now? Doubt?Or age, simply? The crowd
Is young in the M1 cafe;
Their kids are screaming for more –
More houses, more parking allowed,
More caravan sites, more pay.
On the Business Page, a scoreOf spectacled grins approve
Some takeover bid that entails
Five per cent profit (and ten
Per cent more in the estuaries): move
Your works to the unspoilt dales
(Grey area grants)! And whenYou try to get near the sea
In summer . . .
It seems, just now,
To be happening so very fast;
Despite all the land left free
For the first time I feel somehow
That it isn’t going to last,That before I snuff it, the whole
Boiling will be bricked in
Except for the tourist parts –
First slum of Europe: a role
It won’t be hard to win,
With a cast of crooks and tarts.And that will be England gone,
The shadows, the meadows, the lanes,
The guildhalls, the carved choirs.
There’ll be books; it will linger on
In galleries; but all that remains
For us will be concrete and tyres.Most things are never meant.
This won’t be, most likely; but greeds
And garbage are too thick-strewn
To be swept up now, or invent
Excuses that make them all needs.
I just think it will happen, soon.”Philip Larkin, 25th January 1972. From “High Windows”.
May 12, 2025 at 19:13 #1730203They travelled through plenty of other countries. Presumably they didn’t like France?

And after Brexit as well..
Would that be the Brexit that Farage and his ilk told us would sort out our immigration problems? And if people aren’t stopping in the very much still in the EU France and coming here then why is that? How come they can move people on whilst we apparently couldn’t? Anyone would think we’ve been lied to.
May 12, 2025 at 20:09 #1730209https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wgrngplnro
This is where we’re heading. Now it may of course be entirely innocent but it’s a mighty coincidence that Starmer gets constant negative press, plus of course far worse on essentially unregulated social media, and then this happens.
Eventually it ends up with people getting killed as has happened twice in recent years. They’ll never learn.
May 12, 2025 at 20:40 #1730210Reform may well get the severe right vote but when shove comes to push do you really think your average Tory voter is going to vote for Farage , Reform have 5 MPs , there’s no chance there going to suddenly form a government in 3 years time , the Tories are already planning the removal of the current leader , they may well stick someone else in temporarily but come the next election it’s likely Farage or Boris will be there ticket , one a has been liar, the other a never was chancer …..
Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026
May 12, 2025 at 22:19 #1730214“Now it may of course be entirely innocent”.
I doubt it.
Unfortunately I think the conditions are in place for things to turn very nasty in Britain in the not too distant future. An arrogant political class and a substantial part of the population which feels it is ignored or sneered at is not a recipe for long term harmony. From a selfish point of view, it does make me glad I have been able to live most of my life in better times.
On a side note, it is no surprise to discover Sir Keir Starmer rents out his expensive North London home. Very socialist…
May 13, 2025 at 05:38 #1730223Starmer’s laughable performance yesterday put me in mind of a far greater man:
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