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It is about time we stopped moaning about the past and based on what is currently happening.
So lets see where were are:The Conservatives big mistake was Brexit and electing a halfwit who took the party from centre right to far right. Which is why many of them defected to Reform.
The LibDems biggest mistake was to campaign to cut tuition fees and in government with the Tories agreed to treble them.
Lwbour’s biggest mistake was to elect someone: without any charisma to be their leader who is afraid to put the truth above pragmatism.
At the moment the Libdems have the only leader who tells it as it is that Trump is a moron who is systematically ruining thr world.
Value again behave calling the last useless Tory govt far right is silly beyond belief , incompetent yes useless yes far right now but must say starmer is giving them a good run for their money and as for bigging up Ed Davey tell the postmasters that
I’ll leave it there before you call me Adolf
Bunch of lying charlatans.
Given your right wing politics and dislike of lying charlatans, who would you vote for if an election were held tomorrow, to borrow a phrase from a poll you recently posted.
If I was a right wing leader ( thankfully not ) id be thinking I’m likely to get more votes with Starmer still in charge , this bunch are that thick they can’t even work that one out ..
Pick 3 on Saturday champion 2025/2026
Perhaps Starmer was aware the right wing “Guardian” was about to publish the story? If so, it might explain his unseemly argument with the Speaker on Wednesday, which was petulant even by his thin skinned standards.
Hoyle was merely doing his job, reminding Starmer that PMQs is where he has to answer questions, not ask questions to the Leader of the Opposition or make petty little points.
Starmer should apologise to him, just as he had to apologise to the leader of Plaid Cymru last year after a similarly petulant outburst.
Starmer will no doubt be considering his position all weekend before being grilled in the Commons on Monday.
I reckon it’s unlikely he resigns before the local elections in three weeks or so, as doing so now would make the expected drubbing then even worse. Wait for that final nail in the coffin then walk or be pushed.
The nauseating thought of Trump’s glee at his removal is as good a reason as any for him to stay.
I mistakenly wrote earlier that Yvette Cooper has questions to answer, forgetting it was David Lammy who was Foreign Secretary at the time of Mandelson’s appointment. Over to you David…
“It shows appalling judgment from Starmer. But what actual damage did it do?”
Let’s consider that point since it was asked.
Mandelson failed the developed vetting process. It is worth emphasising that point. The process didn’t merely ask a few questions or raise one or two minor concerns. He was failed.
Given my experience of this process, I can say that to completely fail means the security services must have had exceptionally serious concerns about Mandelson’s background, personal life, finances and his business dealings. In other words, they considered him to be a security danger and at risk of being blackmailed by enemies of the British state.
Yet Starmer went ahead and appointed Mandelson to the most senior position in the diplomatic service!
That alone would be gross misconduct and a resignation offence. The fact he also lied, misled the House and then tried to cover it up adds further gross misconduct into the mix.
No matter how anyone tries to spin it, Starmer’s conduct has been arrogant and totally unacceptable.
And it is made worse by the fact that when he was Leader of the Opposition, like so many people on his side, he cloaked himself in self righteousness, presenting himself as far more intelligent and morally superior than his opponents. He often called for resignations on matters far minor than what he has done. He promised he would clean up politics but has done precisely the opposite.
As one writer summed it up today:
“Let’s consider the enormity of what has occurred. The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom attempted to leverage a man who was a major national security risk into the most sensitive diplomatic posting in the West. He did so despite the objections of the security services. He overrode the tried and trusted processes for such an appointment. He lied to Parliament about it. And then, when ordered to release the documents that would have exposed his lies, he tried to cover them up.”
That is why he should resign.
Hoyle has a history of throwing his weight around unfairly in parliament. I wasn’t watching PMQT on Wednesday but my partner was and said Starmer was answering the question. Hoyle was downright rude to Caroline Lucas one day and I complained to the Speakers office about him. I’ve complained about him at other times, too, but the incident with Lucas is the one that has stuck in my mind. He seems to throw his weight around more with Labour than the other parties imo perhaps in an attempt to show impartiality. As for Ed Davey well, it’s easy for him to slag off Trump given that he’s not in government and doesn’t have to worry about being diplomatic. I’ve always liked the LibDems and have campaigned for them at times but he really is annoying me at the moment. Now is not the right time to instigate a Labour Party leadership contest.
“I reckon it’s unlikely he resigns before the local elections in three weeks or so”.
I am inclined to agree he will make it that far. I think that is partly due to the paucity of alternatives.
Rayner is still under investigation by HMRC. Streeting talks himself up but I doubt he will make a direct challenge. Miliband still lacks credibility from his previous time as party leader. And Burnham is not in the Commons (Starmer made sure of that).
There is also the thought: who would actually want to take over now, given the current diplomatic situation and the less than favourable circumstances at home? They would almost certainly be leading Labour to a defeat in 2029. Perhaps some of the younger Labour MPs have calculated it is better to play a long game, hope they survive the 2029 election and then try for the leadership? Although Streeting is defending a wafer thin majority in Ilford.
Moehat writes a lot of sense. There is only one thing I would disagree with though. In normal circumstances I would agree that diplomacy is needed, but not in the case of Trump. He thinks he is God and writes abusive comments about the Pope saying the church leader should stop praying for peace and instead follow him.
Starmer’s diplomacy with Trump hasn’t got the UK anywhere. The moron is atill outrageously suing the BBC for $5 billion.
The only way to deal with Trump is to take him on head to head as Mark Carney of Canada has done. So I fully support Ed Davey for blasting the self acclaimed messiah in the House of Commons.
Mandelson fails the vetting process and still appointed to the post of UK ambassador to the US?
Everyone else, foreign and in UK knew about Mandelson, but Starmer pleads ignorance and continues with that stance.
Pre election he painted himself and Labour as ‘whiter than white’ a self righteous party who Starmer said had honestly and integrity.
Now as with previous failings a underling is set to take the fall.
Not even the Labour supporters here can deny that Starmer is stretching credibility beyond reasonable doubt?
good luck to allIncredible how Starmer doesn’t seem to know what is going on in his own government. It is always someone else’s fault, never his own; and an underling is found to be sacked. What marvellous, inspiring leadership!
But in the highly unlikely circumstances that his government actually got something right, it can be guaranteed he would take all the credit.
As the old saying goes “Success has many fathers. Failure is an orphan.”
Hoyle has a history of throwing his weight around unfairly in parliament
I’m not keen on him either and regard him as a rather weak Speaker who doesn’t command the respect of the House; notably the many occasions that ministerial statements are released to the press before being heard in the Commons. He repeatedly bangs on about this breach of procedure but no one takes much notice.
No surprise that this Labour politician was unanimously re-elected following the Conservative landslide in 2019: Johnson et al knew he was little more than a useful patsy.
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