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  • #1763869
    Avatar photoWilts
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    So, Mandelson failed, yes FAILED, No.10 security checks BUT

    Was still appointed.

    If this isnt a resignation job (PM) then ‘we’ really have descended into the political gutter.

    Imagine if this happened under last Tory government, the Left and Libs would be ‘all over it’.

    #1763870
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    And of course Starmer is now pathetically trying to pretend he didn’t know Mandelson had failed developed vetting. Despite stating he had. Isn’t it incredible how much the supposed Prime Minister doesn’t know when it suits him?

    As asked on social media:

    “If the official line ends up being that Keir Starmer didn’t know, his private office didn’t know, that Number 10 didn’t know, that the Cabinet Office didn’t know, it poses so many questions.

    1) Why did Starmer assert categorically that Mandelson had cleared security vetting when he hadn’t?

    2) Why did Starmer and No 10 repeatedly, over a period of many months, say that ‘due process’ had been followed when it hadn’t?

    3) Why did the Foreign Office not inform the Prime Minister that Mandelson had failed his vetting?

    4) Is it really credible that the foreign office decided to take this decision in some kind of hermetic bubble – a decision of huge consequence, with direct ramifications for the Prime Minister?

    5) In February, when humble address was tabled including the request for all information about Mandelson’s vetting, did nobody think to check that Mandelson had indeed passed his vetting?

    6) Why were documents about Mandelson’s security vetting withheld from the first tranche of the Mandelson files? They were specifically requested in the humble address and yet they were absent.

    The broader question for the Prime Minister is whether allegedly not knowing that Mandelson had failed his vetting was enough of an excuse for giving categoric public assurances that he had cleared vetting in public.”

    #1763871
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Yet another mountain being made out of a molehill by the rightwing media.

    Yes, it shows appalling judgment from Starmer. But what actual damage did it do? Unlike the real damage caused by Brexit, Bozo, Truss and Farage…

    Fill in the blank: Brexit costs the UK an estimated £90 bn a year, Johnson’s clueless reaction to Covid cost the UK thousands of lives unnecessarily, Truss cost the UK economy billions, Mandelson’s appointment cost the UK ________

    Answers on a postcard to the usual address.

    #1763872
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    “Yes, it shows appalling judgment from Starmer. But what actual damage did it do?”

    It’s called Integrity in Office.

    #1763873
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    Answer the question . What has it cost the country?

    And I didn’t see you calling for Bozo’s head when he showed a complete lack of respect for his office (and the entire country).

    #1763874
    Avatar photoWilts
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    Another new start

    #1763876
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    It’s called Integrity in Office.

    These political threads are costing me a fortune in irony meters.

    #1763877
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    Oh for the days of politicians like Lord Carrington.

    I don’t believe anyone seriously thought he was personally to blame for the Falkland Islands being invaded. However, as Foreign Secretary he realised it had happened on his watch and as such he was ultimately responsible. He did the honourable thing and resigned.

    We don’t have men of honour in public life anymore.

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    Uncovered by the Guardian, so hardly the work of the rightwing media.

    Starmer undoubtedly has more questions to answer, but so does Yvette Cooper as it seems it was the Foreign Office that overruled the decision to deny Mandelson vetting clearance.

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    It’s originally come from a Guardian journo, BUT it is now FACT.

    Downing Street has confirmed that Mandelson failed the process.

    No.10 now saying the Foreign office official never told them of Mandelson’s ‘failure’.
    PM says that he never knew.
    But weeks ago Starmer said he’d passed the vetting process.

    Bunch of lying charlatans.

    Toast, i tell thee….Starmer’s toast!

    #1763882
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    “Uncovered by the Guardian, so hardly the work of the rightwing media.”

    Quite. Ed Davey has called for Starmer’s resignation as well. He might be an embarrassing clown but it is a stretch of the imagination to think of him as “far right”.

    #1763883
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    We don’t have men of honour in public life anymore.

    Quite, is it any wonder that online discourse is so toxic when it starts at the very top? Far too much focus on pathetic ‘gotchas’ than actual discussion of issues.

    #1763897
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    Ed Davey has forgotten that some of us haven’t forgotten his part in the postmaster scandal. I don’t see what can be achieved by getting rid of a PM that has developed good relations with other world leaders at a time of crisis. Problem is that nobody has been able say what they really think about Trump since he came back to power. Still think they hoped Mandelson’s involvement with Trump would be beneficial in some way.

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    “Ed Davey has forgotten that some of us haven’t forgotten his part in the postmaster scandal.”

    I haven’t, which makes his fooling around, falling into lakes and doing bungee jumps even more irritating.

    But it doesn’t mean he is wrong about Starmer.

    He would have gone by now if Rayner hadn’t had to resign over her tax affairs.

    #1763905
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    More far right people are calling for Starmer to resign. Such as, erm, the Green Party..

    https://x.com/TheGreenParty/status/2044808054776959430

    #1763906
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    Re Lord Carrington. I found a newspaper from a few months before the Falklands war that said that the government knew what was going to happen. I wish I’d kept it now but unfortunately I’d put it on the floor to soak up a spillage when I noticed the article which I hadn’t paid attention to at the time.

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