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    moehat
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    I doubt it. I think his ego wouldn’t let him think that he wouldn’t’ve walked it. Imo he wouldn’t have even considered standing if he didn’t think the leadership was up for grabs.

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    Richard88
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    I see that ‘sectarian voting’ is the right wing press’ new buzzword. The Mail in particular is having a huge tantrum. The Greens really have got them frightened. Expect more hit pieces and ‘journalists’ desperately digging for dirt. I hope they are prepared. Slightly disappointed that The Telegraph hasn’t declared the result the end of Western civilisation but you can’t have it all.

    Interesting that there’s been plenty on the right telling us recently that we need different people in Parliament, people who aren’t career politicians, people who have run businesses, those without the usual politician background. In Spencer they largely have that but of course she has the wrong opinions so we won’t be hearing about what a great thing that is.

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    Richard88
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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/feb/27/shabana-mahmood-stick-hardline-migration-policies-byelection-defeat

    Clueless. If yesterday wasn’t the wake up call they need then nothing will be. It’s been obvious for months upon months that they’ve been heading in the wrong direction. It should not have taken anything like yesterday to make them realise that but it appears they still haven’t.

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    Avatar photoWilts
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    ‘That’ leaflet was bordering on sectarian, though.

    WD Ms Mahmood :good:

    #1756637
    Richard88
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    ‘Bordering on’, so it wasn’t then.

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    Avatar photoWilts
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    ‘They’ knew what they were doing, playing the Pakistan/India ‘stuff’ :whistle: ……in the UK :yes:

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    Richard88
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    The constituency’s Asian population is 27% with a majority of people being white but yeah sure it’s the Asians wot won it.

    Think of it as a free market, the Greens identified a massive gap and slotted in perfectly by supplying what the largest subset (40%) of constituents demanded.

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    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Maybe if Reform weren’t so blatantly racist, the Muslims would have voted for them.

    Just a thought.

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    Avatar photoWilts
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    So you’re both ok with the intro, by the Greens, of the Pakistan/India ‘issue’ :whistle:

    Sorted, me thinks :good:

    #1756714
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    And you’re okay with Reform’s racism?

    Sorted, methinks (it’s actually one word) 😉

    #1756741
    Richard88
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    It really is simple. People in a left-leaning seat have not abandoned their politics, their politicians (Labour) have abandoned them. It is not remotely a suprise that they then voted for a left wing party.

    If Labour continues its seemingly relentless and definitely fruitless pursuit of right wing voters, it will continue haemorrhaging support and the longer it goes on the less likely they are to return if Labour does eventually see the light.

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    value31
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    Starmer on his knees to Trump. Oh dear! Iran has already agreed to more talks and international inspection, which Trump ignored. Iran did not start this and Trump has again told everybody that he does not recognise international law. This attack is simply revenge for Israel’s failure to obliterate Iran the last time they attacked.

    I have absolutely no time for Iran’s current leadership who willingly shoot protesters but we must be even handed. The UN with UK involvement could easily broker a desl. Trump and Israel are the problem. It is a great pity that Iran cannot distinguish between Israel and the UK jewish Community, who only want to get on with their lives in peace.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Reform complaining about the bi-elections leaflets in other languages is hilarious , then the standard trump it’s bent guv , that’s another bi election they’ve failed to win , Farage and his ilk are the 2020s Liberals … Unelectable

    #1756793
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    “It really is simple. People in a left-leaning seat have not abandoned their politics, their politicians (Labour) have abandoned them. It is not remotely a suprise that they then voted for a left wing party.”

    Absolutely correct, Richard. A point also made by the Mayor of London today:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/mar/01/labour-reform-progressives-gorton-and-denton-party

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    I recently finished re-reading a classic history book, first published in 1935 – “The Strange Death of Liberal England”, written by George Dangerfield.

    Modern historians have tended to reject its central thesis but the fact the book is still cited and responded to (when most history books are forgotten within months of publication) is proof of its importance.

    I suppose it was only one by-election but the thought occurred to me: will a historian in a few years time be writing “The Strange Death of Labour England”? Because it seems to me that Labour is in danger of losing much of its support, under a weak leader who impresses no one.

    Its traditional working class vote is heading for Reform, over issues such as illegal immigration and Labour seeming to care more about marginal causes rather than core concerns. Starmer is bitterly unpopular within that constituency.

    On the other hand, Labour is losing the Guardian reading, middle class vote because it is deemed to be be insufficiently left wing and ideologically impure. That vote is going Green.

    And most worryingly for Labour, the Muslim vote it used to be able to take to the bank is deserting it over reasons concerning foreign policy. At the last General Election and the recent by-election, the Islamic vote has shown it is more than willing to vote for its own candidate (or for the Greens) when their numbers are large enough to win. If that happens across scores of seats, Labour is in a lot of trouble.

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    More positively for Labour , they aren’t the Tories , Jesus the tory candidate lost the deposit , I mean it must have been decades since that happened

    #1756798
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    That is true but it was in a constituency where they had no chance of winning and a lot of their supporters will have switched to Reform. Whereas Labour had held the seat and its predecessors for about a century and couldn’t even finish in second place.

    I forgot to add to the above that Labour also seems to be losing another of its core blocks – the student vote. I know from my own time in Manchester over thirty years ago that parts of the constituency has a large student population. That vote also appears to be turning Green.

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