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Surely to turn our voting system into first past the post a party should put it in their manifesto and the electorate should vote on it. I’m sure smaller parties have said they’d support it but they’re unlikely to form a government.
It already is FPTP, moehat. And we all know that parties always stick to their manifesto once elected. 😉
And putting it to a referendum was done in 2011 when, on a turnout of 42%, two thirds of voters were in favour of retaining the status quo – the political landscape has changed enormously over the last fifteen years and the latest surveys suggest that a new public vote would be in favour of electoral change.
I think parliament itself needs to be dragged into the current age. All the shouting and filibustering is like a pantomime. Much as I used to enjoy it when Bercow was speaker even then I felt it needed to change.
You don’t require any formal qualifications to enter the house , id start there
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The Green victory in the Gorton and Denton by-election is a clear indication that the Labour Party has to stop moving to the right.
Labour not only lost to the Greens but couldn’t even come second as that place was by Reform UK. Green won by more than 4000 votes. Questions now being asked about Stammer blocking Burnham and his future as PM at least that’s the impression BBC giving.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.They have said they will spend £2 billion on setting up an ICE type agency
Public opinion is overwhelmingly anti-ICE. Left wing parties are dismissed as out of touch if they put forward unpopular policies. Any of that coming out about Reform? Crickets.
I’m sure smaller parties have said they’d support it but they’re unlikely to form a government.
Farage, during his various tenures in charge of small parties, has repeatedly endorsed a proportional system, funnily enough that’s all gone quiet.
A guest on one of the programmes covering last nights by-election worked for an analytical company and said that on the general election results Gorton and Denton was Labours 39th safest seat.
Today a lot of Labour MP’s must be fearful of their future prospects.
good luck to all“Today a lot of Labour MP’s must be fearful of their future prospects.”
As they should be. By trying to appease the RWNJ vote by aping Reform on immigration, failing to tackle gross and widening inequality, and refusing to condemn the genocide perpetrated in Gaza, Starmer’s Labour has alienated a lot of sensible people.
The whole narrative with the news media is about Starmer standing down ( and if not that about Reform). I think Burnham might have lost to her anyway as the Greens ran a brilliant campaign with a very good candidate. I think he missed a bullet there.
You cannot judge anything by what happened in Manchester. What you are seeing is tactical voting. Many, rightly, are terrified of Reform winning a general election for several reasons:
1 The concept of spending £2 billion to set up an ICE agency.
2 The proposal to abolish the Equalites Act and the Employment Protection Act.
What the voting does is to provide a message to the Labour Party which they haven’t picked up. Many people on this forum have spelled it out, so i cannot understand why they haven’t got it. It is quite simple. Starmer must stop placating Farage and instead attack him. He must recognize that we need legal immigrants for the NHS and care in general. He should reverse the policy of preventing legal immigrants coming into this country and say he will do everything he can to send illegal immigrants packing within International Law. He should point out the dangers we would face if we ingored International Law.
In short Starmer should realise he is the leader of the Labour Party, not the Conservative Light Party. It is hoped his back benchers will now get the message through.
Did a quick comparison (yes, it’s back of ciggie packet) of the bi-election result v GE 2024 votes.
Labour ‘lost’ c9000 votes; Greens gained a little more than the 9000.
Basically, a straight swap.
Reform actually doubled their number of votes.Having watched Newsnight a few nights back, this constituency really is an anomaly, with its very high Muslim population and the very clear split of the constituency, geographically and demographically. Two very distinct areas within.
Labour scrambling around for reasons/excuses. Trouble is they’re caught between placating their traditional Muslim vote and their white working (and non-working) class supporters. If i was in charge of their strategy team i’d ignore the various city-muslim seats where they’re defo stuffed, and focus on the Red Wall seats where it’ll be Reform v Labour.
Reform can make real capital out of this result in the white working/lower middle class seats they’re targetting.
Despite my posts of last couple of years i havent decided who i’ll be voting for in coming years.
The reason we must import so many NHS staff is that we do not train enough in this country. Approximately 30% of NHS Doctors and nurses come from countries like India, Nigeria, and Egypt. What about the ethics of taking NHS staff from regions where they are needed for their own populations?
I think Burnham might have lost to her anyway as the Greens ran a brilliant campaign with a very good candidate. I think he missed a bullet there.
I am inclined to agree. The margin would likely have been smaller, perhaps with Reform pushed to third, but you need to swap 2,800 votes from Green to Labour to even it up. He’d have a had a chance I think but far from a given.
Despite my posts of last couple of years i havent decided who i’ll be voting for in coming years.
The Tories are resurgent, deposit may have been lost in a seat where they never had a chance but they did see off Sir Oink a Lot by more than 500 votes so they’re definitely on the up.
The Looneys have had some pretty good policies over the years I believe, at least one of them was taken on by one of the big parties and actually happened. I think it was lowering the voting age? I still have a newspaper cutting of a letter he sent into the Observer in which he points out that he is the longest serving party leader in the country after Thatchers departure ( what would he have thought of the previous governments turnover of party leaders?). And that ‘ Thatcherism may come and go but Looneyism, which we believe represents the true spirit of the British people, will go on forever’. And so, I hope, it will…
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