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Of course Nathan. The guy has all week to pick his horses because he knows which races will be on TV already. By about 4 pm on a Friday you know which horse has a very good chance of being pricewised just by the cutting of the odds across the boards.
Not true Botchy. Nobody knows what Pricewise will pick until 19:00 Friday. Segal doesn’t even receive the grid prices from us until 16:00, sometimes 16:30.
In our case, we tidy up the prices of any races we have been up with ante post at about 16:00 to bring them more in line with the next morning’s grid prices. Given that all firms have the same deadline, you will see quite a bit of market movement on ad races at that time.
I agree about the last part, though. Segal does like bandwagoning a market mover but he is never the cause of it at that time on a Friday afternoon.
Definitely not true about Hugh Taylor either. Like everyone else, we’re all sitting there mashing the refresh button on his page at 09:00 every day. A handful of fast trigger punters always manage to get through the net before we get the chance to cut prices. You can guess what feels Hugh Taylor-y if you know his logic and favourite angles at each track (and he often tips the same horse two or three times running)…but nobody knows for sure apart from the great man himself.
Anybody got a link to a record of Paul Kealy’s tips in full?
I don’t know of any public record Corm although there’s probably a Twitter account with them all on. Kealy maintained a meaty ROI through the jumps season but he is slightly behind in the current flat season.
It all sounds so squeaky clean with the bookies and Tom
What a lovely chap and the sort of bloke you’d trust to leave with your wife for 2-3 hours
oh hang on a minute……..
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Tell you what Nathan. We’ll revive this thread next Friday and go through full play-by-play of the Pricewise process.
Just tried it with the ATR guys bet.
2.35 Golden Spell @ 9/4. There were about 5 firms going that price.
The bet came up first for me on his twitter page @ 9.22. The ATR page came up after Twitter.
Unibet lasted the longest at that price which lasted till 9.26 all other of the firms cut it within 9.19 and 9.23
I suppose it was possible if you have a Unibet account. Interesting stuff.
His Twitter account has 25K follower so in a way even if 2% of those follow him it could be quite a bit of cash going on. I could of easily got 2/1 if i wanted.
Interesting interview
http://www.fulltimebettingblog.com/hugh-taylor-interview/
Quite interesting about possible use of automated programmes, which are called scripts and are quite easy for a programmer to develop. You basically can insert it into a web page which alerts you to changes made to a webpage almost instantly.
I suppose it was possible if you have a Unibet account. Interesting stuff.
Your Unibet account won’t last long if you’re doing that.
I suppose it was possible if you have a Unibet account. Interesting stuff.
Your Unibet account won’t last long if you’re doing that.
I don’t have one LS. It was just a test to see how quick you would have to be to actually get the price. Much more satisfying to pick your own horses than having to jump through hoops to back someone else’s. Can’t see the point of it myself.
Nothing too unremarkable about a losing run in the high seventies if he’s tipping at generally long odds. In addition he’s a seriously good judge who plays against the prices of human compilers.
Don’t follow his tips either, but now would be a good time to follow him in. Regression will have its say soon enough.
Don’t follow his tips either, but now would be a good time to follow him in. Regression will have its say soon enough.
That thinking is about on a par with Tanya Stevenson’s stats for favs in big races.
A quite bizarre whinge from Segal in his column today to follow up his whinge of couple of weeks ago in an effort to explain his consistent failure.
He says “Can’t be good for the sport – Big field handicaps aren’t supposed to be easy to work out but they have become impossible. I doff my hat to anyone who found 50-1 winner Stamp Hill at Ascot yesterday”.
What an odd whinge when, as is pointed out from a few on this thread, he frequently tips big priced horses in these races himself.
As I pointed out in a thread I started a couple of years both Tom and Pricewise column are well past there sell by date. They just continue for the benefit of bookmakers, the Racing Post and Segal. They are of absolutely no use to punters.
If any punters had been following his tips not only would they be skint but they would also be banned by bookmakers for consistently beating the price
Years ago and new to the game i followed tipsters, paid big money to ex-trainer Tony Ingram for 2 weeks and numerous losers but it was a lesson well learnt that unless you are privy to the ‘actual horse’ in the ‘actual race’ then it is not advisable to follow a tipster.
Over the years the only two i can take seriously, (wished i’d followed them), are Hugh Taylor and Mark Winstanley and my steel helmet is on for the incoming.Over the years the only two i can take seriously, (wished i’d followed them), are Hugh Taylor and Mark Winstanley and my steel helmet is on for the incoming.
Not sure Mark Winstanley & seriously belong in the same sentence.
Meanwhile Hugh Taylor is very knowledgeable and one of the few pundits worth listening to, it’s a pity his weekly slot on ATR stopped.
Of course though his profit/loss based on the advertised prices is pure fiction because the prices are never available.Show me a punter who hasn’t had a terrible long losing run at some point in their punting life and I’ll show you a liar. Managed to win almost 3k on the british open golf which ended a dreadful run.
Still my poor fortune with the gee gees continues. For example I had capomento 12-1 at sandown the other day and that got pipped by a nose. I don’t think I’m the best horse racing punter by any means (in fact I’m probably one of the worst) but my run has still been shocking.
I think actually my run on the horse racing has been so long that actually rather than saying “just stick to what you are doing” I should instead try to change my methods, but I’m too lazy to do anything else but back on feel. I also bet too much on two year old races which are essentially guesses, and do much better on races where there’s more established form, so the sensible answer would be to focus on them, but nothing I ever do is sensible.
Over the years the only two i can take seriously, (wished i’d followed them), are Hugh Taylor and Mark Winstanley and my steel helmet is on for the incoming.
Not sure Mark Winstanley & seriously belong in the same sentence.
Meanwhile Hugh Taylor is very knowledgeable and one of the few pundits worth listening to, it’s a pity his weekly slot on ATR stopped.
Of course though his profit/loss based on the advertised prices is pure fiction because the prices are never available.Agree about Winstanley. Think Blue might be pulling our legs there?
Dr. Taylor’s prices are available though…right up until he tips them! It makes no sense for ATR to market him as a tipster when only the Hitman himself will get the price. Just a dickwaving exercise really.
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