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    Quiet spin over hurdles there Peter, at a trip short enough for him. Work to do anyway off his mark for The National, but I’d be interested in him should he head for The Becher.

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    First 2 pounds on the only horse i hope to be backing for this race :wacko:

    I had him at some big prices to win last years event but missed the cut. Currently on a rating of 150 so does not want to drop too much from there this year.

    I’m not looking for anything spectacular in the next 3 months and no doubt will be getting bigger odds than the 44.0 to win i took today.

    Cause of Causes is the beast in question :good:

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    Graham, confirmed by trainer that he heads to The Becher……..let’s hope it’s just a “sighter” ;-)

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    O Faolains Boy @ 66’s E/W

    Following on from his withdrawal from the Hennesey. The trainer said “He is just suffering with a bit of bone pain and the vet has recommended we give him two or three easy weeks. He’ll definitely be back after Christmas but not in time for the Hennessy.

    We’ll try and aim him for Grand National only now, give him a couple of prep runs and give him a proper shot at it.”

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    Yeah Botchy, after yesterday, O’Faolains definitely comes into the picture, though considering how hard a time they have keeping him sound, that price just might hold for a while. He’s risky for that reason, but once NRNB comes in, then that’s a different story. He’s on a good mark, and should he make it, he must have a fair chance.

    Trainer doesn’t think he wants that much of a trip, but Three Faces West was a very easy winner yesterday, and a good run in The Becher might just see his owners, The Rooneys, decide that he’ll take his chance in the big one. Another at 66’s, and surprised that price held after yesterday.

    I’ve mentioned on enough occasions that Seeyouatmidnight should not be contesting Grade 1’s, and it may just be that after his poor show yesterday, that common sense will kick in, and they’ll stick to handicaps with him. He might just come down in the weights enough after yesterday, to see them seriously consider this. I was always doubtful about him over this trip, but after Ayr last year, they must surely be thinking about this.

    The Hennessy is coming up, and I’m very hopeful that Otago Trail can run well (without winning). His absence from the entries for The Welsh National is telling, and I reckons he’s nailed on, considering connections, to be Aintree bound. Not quoted by any firms, but 150’s still available.

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    Nothing like starting the ball rolling early Bobby, and another cracking
    write up. After your National track record this year, I’ll be hanging on
    to your coattails for next year B-)

    It goes without saying that, like yourself, I’ll be in for The Young Master. He
    was costly for me this year but I think he has National written all over him.

    Graham, confirmed by trainer that he heads to The Becher……..let’s hope it’s just a “sighter” ;-)

    Sound good Bobby, let’s hope he can emulate Amberleigh House and Silver Birch and go on to win
    the BIG one :good:

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    The more I watch yesterdays Hennessey the more I think Native River 28’s is a Grand National Horse,I know connections aren’t keen on the idea but Colin Tizzard has been around long enough to know certain horses just look like National types and this chestnuts one of them.He does remind me me of my all time fav National winner Royal Athlete in the way he jumps a fence so that helps the fact he stays forever helps too,he’d get Top weight come April but he’s a solid built horse who ticks every box.I’ve had an interest in ‘Rogue Angel’ 33’s for this but my Number 1 bet is Minella rocco at 44’s who rather fortuitously beat ‘Native’ at Cheltenham in the always under-estimated 4 mile National Hunt Chase.I like to go to war with 4 horses in any Grand National and thats 3 of them for now.

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    Bobby, you’ll be delighted with Otago Trail’s win yesterday – gutsy stuff. Well done

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    Oh yeah, absolutely chuffed to bits with that yesterday Joe, and fingers crossed that Aintree is the plan :good:

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    Smashing horse Gord, and I think he’d love it round there, but you’re right about the connections being hesitant. Despite the many horses they’ve had, the owners have never had a runner in the race, and rarely enter any of their horses over The National Fences. Might be nothing in it, but worth bearing in mind.

    I think Tizzard would have to be very persuasive.

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    The two I’m most interested in at the the moment are I’llseeyouatmidnight and Double Ross ,the formers jumping alarms me at times but he travels well and despite mistakes never looks like falling.
    Double Ross is a long term favourite of mine and as i think has been mentioned was running a great race in last years national getting on but I don’t think that will be a barrier

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    I don’t think Native River will run in the Grand National, the stable seem to have nominated Viconte Du Noyer. I wouldn’t fancy the former if it did run as it would likely have 11-10, will have contested the Gold Cup, will not improve for the trip and will find it harder to keep finding under pressure over 34.5f.

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    Just watched the review on this horses win on Sunday and this is the 2017 Grand National winner in waiting he is just short of top class IMO if he is campaigned right he will be weighted just fine if the classier horses turn up.

    Just hoping my to wishes are granted Soft ground and Brian Cooper not riding him!

    20/1 anti post a steal?

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    It’s a fair shout Folly, and after Sunday, then The Grand National is the obvious way to go for him, and there’s actually a bit of 25’s kicking about with a few firms.

    stilvi and I have been discussing him for months, and both of the opinion that Graded Chases wouldn’t be beyond him. I watched the race back last night, it was a fiercely competitive Troytown, and he won it just a bit cosily.

    I think they’ll seriously be considering going down the graded route with him, as I think there’s more to come. Didn’t see anything to change my mind. Wouldn’t be putting you off the 25’s for Aintree though.

    Good luck with him this season, he’s a nice horse to follow :good:

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    Got to be in for a fair rise for that but connections have said he will aimed at Aintree with a run or two over hurdles in between. I was quite impressed with the fourth Noble Endeavour in the race for the future.

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    Yeats, I bet Noble Endeavour at Cheltenham in The 4 Miler, and he wasn’t done with when he fell 2 out. Very nice run from him on Sunday, and off his current mark, struggling to get in this years race. He’s miles better than that mark I reckon, and think after that run on Sunday he should be winning soon.

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    Sorry, but you, the trainer and plenty of the media appear to have got this horses trip wrong by two miles.

    I have followed the horse from the start of his career and he shouldn’t be going anywhere near a Grand National.

    He was the most expensive store ever purchased. A late starter, we now know he was continually burning himself out from the front. Fortuitously, they have now worked out how the ride him.

    At one stage I saw him as a County Hurdle possible and I always believed he wanted quicker ground.

    The two performances in the big staying handicaps at the weekend were chalk and cheese. Native River is a grinder who given the chance would probably still be staying on after five miles. Empire Of Dirt is a different animal altogether. He is an absolute class act. He won the Troytown because he was last off the bridle, in fact he barely came off the bridle. If you win the three handicaps he has you are without doubt Graded class. If you win them in the style he has you are Grade 1 class. Even after Sunday the horse is still massively underestimated.

    All evidence would suggest Empire Of Dirt’s ideal is 2m5f, good ground and a fast pace. Add in he clearly handles Cheltenham and the owner sponsors one of the races. Consequently, there is only one race this horse should be targeting, the RYANAIR. The current favourite for that race is Black Hercules. The JLT form looks rubbish and I would already have Empire Of Dirt 7-10lbs ahead of him.

    If anyone has doubts just have look at last year’s Cheltenham handicap. He was arguably the easiest winner of the meeting, showing bags of pace. That is not in a million years the performance of a Grand National contender.

    The horse is 9 going on 10 and this is his season to make his mark. It would be a great shame if that chance is wasted.

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