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On a separate note, if the Jockey Club want to keep this as the showcase start to the £1m treble, they’ll have to move it. There’d be a fight to keep it in the north so maybe down the road to Aintree where, historically, they’d have a better chance of decent ground.’Good’ has not featured in the going description at the current venue since 2011 when it was good to soft.Why not run it at the Becher meeting? Becher Chase has been GS, S, GS last 3 runnings. Haydock’s 3 Betfairs will be heavy, heavy and soft in 2015. Aintree can get heavy too but I think the ground drains better and, percentage-wise would be the better call.Or move it to Sandown. It could be more likely the £1m project be quietly dropped altogether.
There’s never been a mountain of runners anyway even when the going is OK. 9 the biggest field in the last 10 runnings, so would a move to Aintree help
Betfair would also have to be consulted, who might drop the race if moved away from Haydock. A new sponsor would then have to be found.Can anyone trust what the ground will be anyway? We are talking Mr Tellwrong here.
Value Is EverythingHave to disagree with Tommy’s opinion in thinking that Bristol De Mai could not trouble the Gold Cup next year. I think this is his best chance ever of actually winning it or at least gaining a place.
Last season he was not at his best but now a six year old he is maturing and getting better every run. The ground for him is crucial as he has only ever won on Soft going and chances are at Cheltenham he won’t get those conditions.
Depending on how he runs Saturday he has every chance of being at the top of his game this season and taking home some big prizes, One of my favourite horses over the jumps and I wish him well.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I doubt this race will have any impact on the Gold Cup or The King George. Might Bite should rest easy on Saturday watching this race between checking the football scores.
His favourite player is Luis Suarez apparently
It is a game of opinions after all and i guess neither of us get proved right unless he gets his ground in march, which i agree, is unlikely to happen. hopefully he can become a little less erratic though.
Cant ever see him getting near Sizing John, Thistlecrack, Djackadam, Might Bite or even Native River, but certainly happy to watch him try!
TommyNag
You’ve missed out the winner in Yorkhill…… Blackbeard to conquer the World
Yorkhill is versatile, Nathan. But that (and probability Mullins rates others higher) only means his destination depends on where stablemates go. Priced up for the Gold Cup, Ryanair, Champion Chase and even Champion Hurdle. Currently has stablemates ahead of him in all markets bar the Gold Cup, but one stable mate injury or one improving and that will change. Back Yorkhill in any individual race and you’ll probably be on a losing non-runner.
If taking a price do it “to win Any Cheltenham Festival race”…
Not that he’ll stay the Gold Cup trip.
Value Is EverythingHis favourite player is Luis Suarez apparently 😉
Nice one Homer. Tyson was his favourite boxer I believe
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Haydock is fast becoming the Chepstow of the north!
Moving the race to Becher day at Aintree would be a great idea👍Have to disagree with Tommy’s opinion in thinking that Bristol De Mai could not trouble the Gold Cup next year. I think this is his best chance ever of actually winning it or at least gaining a place.
Last season he was not at his best but now a six year old he is maturing and getting better every run. The ground for him is crucial as he has only ever won on Soft going and chances are at Cheltenham he won’t get those conditions.
Depending on how he runs Saturday he has every chance of being at the top of his game this season and taking home some big prizes, One of my favourite horses over the jumps and I wish him well. JacI liked Bristol De Mai as a young prospect Jac. However, he let me down a few times as a hurdler and luckily for me he was often too short to back on several occasions going forward. I don’t follow horses who are beaten favourites, particularly at short odds, on a fairly regular basis.
Bristol De Mai is currently rated 160 as a Chaser and that means he needs to probably improve 10 lbs this season in order to win a Gold Cup. Sizing John is on 168 but unexposed at longer trips and has actually had less runs than the younger horse. Might Bite is also ahead of Bristol De Mai on ratings and has had 8 less career starts.
I just wonder how much you can rely on the Twiston-Davies horse to both progress enough and stay reliable, particularly when the ground isn’t blunting other horse’s pace.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Yes that’s very fair comment Steve
Hoping that on Saturday BDM will prove that he is on the upgrade and making grounds to improve his rating with a run away victory at his favourite course. Also to prove that he has become a more reliable jumper as a six year old as most of his defeats last year came as a result of blunders and mistakes.
I’m going to have trouble watching this race as I really want BDM to win but also for Cue Card to get round safely I don’t think my nerves are going to withstand watching another round of jumping like last time out and wish that Paddy Brennan were in the saddle. I can see Cue Card being pulled up if he looks like he is not going to win, he’s been a great servant to racing and retirement could beckon, I for one would breath a sign of relief if this happened. Just let him come back safely.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...At the prices I think Outlander is great value for this. Based on their first runs I would argue there is nothing between Outlander and BDM; but the prices tell another story. Course form goes so far but 11/8 against 5/1 cant be explained purely by course form. BDM probably still the most likely winner but Outlander should be 3/1 or 5/2
(and probability Mullins rates others higher)
Please don’t say Djackadam, 4th time lucky eh…..?
He’s had more bites of the cherry than the chipmunk Alvin
0/5 at CheltenhamBlackbeard to conquer the World
I am on OUTLANDER here but to be honest he is becoming something of a cliff horse for me and even though he won last time out I am not confident but then again I am not confident about most if not all of these.
IMO this is a terrible race quality wise and not one result would surprise me!
P.S Dont forget Shantou at huge odds!! LOL
I feel like I’m going to get lynched for saying it but I really think it’ll be a terrible thing if Cue Card wins this (gulp!).
Everyone loves Cue Card, don’t count me out of that bracket. I can obviously see the sentiment attached if he does win. My issue here is that the last few years, ever since King Kauto won really, have thrown up Silvianiaco Conti or Cue Card wins, which, especially in the latter years of the roll of honour, have had little bearing on where the top prizes go in the spring.
This is part of the ‘triple crown’ for a reason. Sure there’ll be knockers that say Bristol De Mai won’t win a Gold Cup, but why not? He’s a young improving chaser who could be going places. If he wins by 10 tomorrow I’d say it’d do a fair bit more for the division as a whole than it would if (yawn) Cue Card won it again.
The old boy winning may make the winners enclosure pop but I’m afraid I’ll be leaving my hanky at home.
I’m with you all the way Boz
Bristol De Mai has youth on his side and has already proved that he has matured in the way he runs and jumps since last season when he made a lot of mistakes and blunders and was too tired to finish off his races properly.As mentioned I really hope that Cue Card jumps soundly but if he shows any sign of mis-judging his fences I hope that young Harry Cobden has been given instructions to pull him up and keep him safe.
I’ve had a small wager on BDM to win the Triple Crown and although I think its a big ask the horse doesn’t know that
and can only go out there and give 100% like he always does and I hope he wins it by 15 Boz and gives them all something to think about for the Gold Cup. JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...I’ve had a small wager on BDM to win the Triple Crown and although I think its a big ask the horse doesn’t know that 😉
I’ve had a nibble at 100/1 too Jac, admittedly just as a bit of interest rather than out of expectation. Big run hoped for tomorrow though
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