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    Avatar photoVenture to Cognac
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    Normally a tricky race to work out, as it usually takes place a few days before the weights are framed for Aintree, which understandably, led to a few Aintree contenders maybe not showing their true colours. This year the weights will already be out, so no reason to hold back for those with the big one in mind.

    A good race for me the last few years, including Lie Forrit last year, free from an entry for Aintree, giving me one of my biggest wins of the year. However, this time around, looking to 2 horses with National entries to give me a repeat success this year.

    First one up is Broadway Buffalo, from the Pipe yard. Not seen since a very decent performance behind Thousand Stars in The G1 Grand Prix d’Automne at Auteil, and he wasn’t beaten far. Before that he was just finishing out of the frame in The Scottish National, off the back of an excellent second in The 4 Miler at Cheltenham, finding only Cause of Causes too good. He was actually favourite for this last year, needing a good run to qualify for Aintree, but he fell down the back straight when travelling nicely. I fancy him strongly to make amends here, and he looks weighted to do so, at a track he’s won at twice before, taking the 20’s EW last night. Pipe also has Vieux Lion Rouge entered, and he’s also easy to make a case for. Won 3 on the bounce, before falling when looking held at Cheltenham, behind the runaway winner Aachen. He would have made the frame though, and no shame in being held that day by Aachen, who ran the race of his life. This’ll be hard going on Saturday, and he did show battling qualities to win round here in a competitive handicap in November.

    Cause of Causes, who got the better of Broadway Buffalo at Cheltenham in The 4 Miler, also holds an entry here, and I’m hoping he doesn’t trap, as if he’s tuned up for this, then he’d be a serious player. He’s easily the best horse in the race, yet comes here off of 142, and I’d just be a bit surprised to see them blow his mark for one of The Cheltenham Handicaps, where something like The Kim Muir would be ideal for him. I’ve bet him for the The National, and I’m hoping for a Cheltenham/Aintree double from him, Haydock was never part of the plan. If he did head here, I’d certainly have a few quid on, as I very rarely miss him, but I wouldn’t expect to see him 100% for it, with The Festival looming. Back in 5th that day at Cheltenham was Sego Success. I bet him for The Classic Chase at Warwick, but I knew my fate early on, when he departed at the second. He won very impressively at Doncaster before that though, and I’m a big fan of him. I do think though, that the better ground at Ayr for The Scottish National, will be better for him, and with this potentially being a slog, it might not be for him. Reluctantly overlooked.

    I’d being saying for a while on here that Cloudy Too was looking a very well handicapped horse, and I bet him a couple of times with no joy. Although I expected him to go close in The Rowland Meyrick, it was here, in The Peter Marsh last month, that he got my cash back, and he won in a fair bit of style, with some decent horses strung out behind him. Looks a danger once again, but it just may be that the 10lb rise will stop him. He did have his fair share of fortune that day, but looks solid place material at 14’s

    This brings me to another big fancy, Gas Line Boy, who was absolutely cantering. He had them all at work, but unfortunately he unseated at the last down the back straight. If I’m being honest, I don’t think Cloudy Too would have got to him, he really did look full of running, and with similar conditions awaiting him, he looks sure to go close.

    Rigadin De Beauchene was another big winner for me in this 2 years back, and he finally got back to winning ways round here in December. Conditions should suit him here again, and the 14’s does look big. Not unduly raised for his that win here, and he was still running a big race in The Classic Chase when he was knocked over by a loose horse. Very, very unlucky, and I’m currently trying to stop myself from betting him. I wouldn’t be nearly as keen on his stablemate Saroque, who went out like a light last time, and might be feeling the effects of his run in The Welsh National, behind Mountainous.

    Mountainous, considering the conditions, was a very impressive winner at Chepstow, registering his first win in 2 years. Raised 10 lbs for that, he’d still be worthy of consideration, as he just loves the mud, and the trainer, Kerry Lee, seems to have the midas touch recently. He will though, come here off of 142, and was well beaten in this off 137 last year. His stablemate Russe Blanc looks Eider bound, but Lee has another entered in Bishops Road. On paper, he doesn’t look nearly good enough for this, and is arguably a bit high in the weights, but he did show the qualities required when winning at Sandown in December, and is highly rated by his trainer. The main concern for me would be the trip for him, but no surprise to see him maybe spring a shock for a trainer who can do no wrong at the moment. He just won’t be doing it with my money on him.

    Unioniste and Woodford County present the Nicholls and Hobbs yards respectively. Unioniste is, as I’ve said a few times, hard to second guess, but after a few lifeless displays, looked a lot more like it last time at Sandown. He looks Aintree bound for sure, for which he’s quietly fancied to atone for last years early exit, and worth noting that connections chose this race as the prep for Neptune Collonges, where he went very very close. He looks on a cracking mark, and the 16’s with Paddy Power looks massive. Woodford County ran a smashing race behind Mounatinous at Chepstow, and a slog like this is just his cup of tea, but I’m just of the opinion he’s just outside of this class, though should give supporters a decent run for their money.

    This looks beyong the Rebecca Curtis trained Minella On Line, and his stablemate Bob Ford has really struggled of late, so they’ll have to be overlooked for now.

    Last years winning trainer, Lucinda Russell, is represented by One For Arthur, and in a race she’s won 3 of the last 6 runnings of, then despite him looking up against it, I’m in no rush to dimsiss him out of hand either.

    Joining him from north of the border, is the Sandy Thomson trained Harry The Viking. Runner up in this last year, going agonisingly close in the process, he continues to run well without getting his head in front. He does love it round here though, and at 25’s, he could just surprise a few. Looks bound to run his race.

    Both the Donald McCain & Jonjo O’Neil yards have had a season to forget so far, though there have been signs of a recovery lately. McCain is represented by Corrin Wood, a horse who promised so much but delivered so little, and I’d really like to see him come down a few more pounds. Looked as if he might get involved here over hurdles last time, but eventually fell away, he’s got plenty of questions to answer. Jonjo, to be fair, never sets the heather alight during the winter months anyway, but I just got the impression things were worse than ever this year. He’s possibly on the turn though, and after a couple of wins, particularly Taquin De Seuils impressive comeback on Saturday, then Spookydooky, who ran well here in December, might just be worth a second look at 16’s.

    Way behind Spookydooky at Haydock that was Sun Cloud, and I’m struggling to see him making the frame this time either. Has a few performances that entitle him to take his chance here, but on balance, I’d have to overlook him.

    Looks like a proper slog ahead, and whoever lands it will have had to dig deep. I’m happy with my 25’s & 14’s on Gas Line Boy, and my 20’s on Broadway Buffalo, as I think they both have sound each way chances. From a 20 strong entry, 2 is more than enough, but I’ve just had to have a go on Unioniste at 16’s as well, as he looks too well treated off the back of a return to form.

    Main fancy – Broadway Buffalo 20’s
    Second Choice – Cloudy Too 14’s

    I’ve bet them both each way

    I’ll leave Cause of Causes, as if he wins, I’ll have a live one for Aintree. I’m hoping Gordon Elliot gives me a clue to his plans, as he’s about to be interviewed on ATR, and I’ll leave Rigadin, as he owes me absolutely nothing.

    GL

    #1233815
    Avatar photoBobby Bluebell
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    A wonderfully, comprehensive write up :good:

    I fancy One For Arthur myself as I think he will improve for the step up in distance. However, he’s entered in the Ivan Straker on Thursday so I’ll have to hold off.

    He’s not the only one with options, the Pipe two are entered at Ascot the same day, and a few have entries in the Eider…bit of a minefield ante post.

    Best of luck VTC

    #1233835
    Avatar photoBobby Bluebell
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    Just read in tomorrow’s RP (iPad edition) that this race is the plan for Broadway :good:

    #1233841
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    Gas Line Boy should go well given a clear round and Harry The Viking is also of interest. Me reckons the forecast is in order!

    #1233954
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    Congratulations on another great summing up Bobby, if Gerald Delamere hangs up
    his boots you would fill them nicely :good:

    This is a race I really like, possibly partly because I (and yourself) had a
    bit of a killing 2 years ago with RIGADIN DE BEAUCHENE. Like you mentioned, he
    doesn’t owe either of us anything, but I think he is in very decent form at the
    moment and is a lively contender. He won well on this track at the end of
    December beating HARRY THE VIKING and was unlucky last time at Warwick when very
    much in contention and hampered by a loose horse and falling. I think he will
    revel in the course, distance and very testing going. 14/1 looks decent.

    This has probably been HARRY THE VIKING’s target all year, it’s his National
    as although he’s entered in the big one, there’s no chance he will make the
    line up. He was so near last year, he clearly likes it round here and is 6lbs
    better off with RIGIDAN from his last race here in December. 25/1 is far too big,
    I think he will be half that come Saturday.

    Finally I’m going 3 handed into this with SEGO SUCCESS. I know you have reservations
    about the going for him Bobby, but there seemed to be a fair bit of stable confidence
    behind him last month at Warwick, although that didn’t end too happily. I take your
    point, he certainly will go well on better, but he has a touch of class about him and
    if he manages the heavy ground he shouldn’t be 12/1.

    I’ll stick with those 3, unless something happens to them between now and Saturday.
    Good luck all :good:

    #1234081
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    Good luck with all those Bobby, you’re in with a shout on all 3.

    I’ve backed my 3, I think the 25s, 14s and 12s will be well gone
    come off time.

    A bit off topic, I bet all 3 with Boylesports, I’ve been doing quite
    well with my account there of late, I hope they don’t go the way of my
    Coral and Ladbroke accounts. Anyway, yesterday I had bet on Young Palm
    in the 4.05 at Ayr, who duly went a**e over t*t at the 1st. On their
    site the times of the races were highlighted in red with “stake returned
    as a free bet if falls”, or words to that effect. They had that on all
    Ayr races yesterday.

    I noticed today that my stake hadn’t been returned, showing in the history
    as “lost”. I contacted them on live chat and was told that the free fall
    bet only referred to customers with accounts who laid the bet in their shops.
    No mention of that, that I could see, where the offer was highlighted over
    the starting times of races on their online site….why mention it at all
    online? A bit underhand in my book.

    Sorry this has nothing to do with the race, I just needed to rant !

    #1234096
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    Thanks Graham and Bobby

    That’s brutal G, seems a bit shoddy if it was on their site, and I’d be cheeky and ask again, you never know. Shoddy stuff though.

    I find Boyles really good for giving me a price for a long term Ante-Post target, but not much else. They’re also one of the firms who I tend to avoid as a result of their awful website.

    #1234104
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    Agreed Bobby, it’s downright deceptive in my book. I’ll maybe give them a
    stinker of an email, but if they’re anything like Coral they will just keep
    repeating that the offer is for in shop customers who have an account. I’d
    practically guarantee that they won’t comment on the fact the offer was
    attached to each race at Ayr on their internet site.

    I’m just glad it was only 20 quid, or I’d be even more miffed than I
    am now :negative:

    #1234108
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    Great write up as usual VTC.

    Although Sandy Thomson seems to have got him back to something resembling his best form I can’t have Harry The Viking for the win, although a place wouldn’t be out of the question. Broadway Buffalo should be staying on as well as anything but I’m not convinced he’s a natural chaser, he just seems to give at least one fence a clout at a vital moment. Having said that the one of yours I do like is Gas Line Boy however his jumping can be his achilles heel also but as you say he was tanking along on his reappearance and would probably have taken a good deal of beating had he not got rid of his pilot. I like Cause Of Causes but I’m not sure a three and a half mile slog in heavy ground is what he wants. Were the ground better then I would consider. Saroque on the other hand should love the ground and will re right up there from the start. I’m willing to forgive his last run as I believe he needs it at least soft to produce his best form. He ran well enough in the Welsh National and is now 11lb better off with Mountainous and as he is still available at 25’s I will probably have a little each way interest. Of the rest Woodford County who like a number of these ran well in the Welsh National would be the tricast choice. So Saroque as main choice, Gas Line Boy for the forecast and Woodford County to complete the tricast!

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    Only the eight go and well done VTC for getting both of yours in!The prices you have look very tasty now. Best of luck with the pair of them

    #1234180
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    Yes you must be well pleased Bobby, two major shouts there. Two out of
    three isn’t bad for me, and you were very likely right with your reservations
    about SEGO SUCCESS. It’s heavy enough just now but a lot of rain forecast
    tomorrow and Saturday, I’m guessing Alan King thought it would be just too
    much of a slog.

    Rigidan has halved into 7s at best, and Harry in single figures from 25s.
    Although I lost Sego, the silver lining is that yesterday, with HTV’s price
    shortening, Betfred alone still stood 25/1, I couldn’t resist having another
    go at him. I’m hoping Harry can do me a favour for Cheltenham, he’s by far my
    biggest return of my two, but I’d happily have either.

    If they don’t do it, then I hope Gas Line boy comes in for both yourself
    and aaronizneez. Best of luck :good:

    #1234224
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    That’ll teach me for waiting until i get home from work :negative:

    #1234343
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    Terrific analysis Bobby!!
    Just to let you know I have backed Cloudy Too and had a forecast with Rigadin so your three should be home and hosed!! LOL

    Good Luck :good:

    #1234388
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    Fine work, Bobby, though I’ll go against you and bet Bishops Road :)

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    What’s the significance of Katie Walsh riding Broadway buffalo for David Pipe. She goes over for just just ride for a trainer who has plenty of jockeys at his disposal. Seems significant booking for one reason or another? Getting familiar with the horse ahead of a future ride in a more significant race perhaps?

    #1234403
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    What’s the significance of Katie Walsh riding Broadway buffalo for David Pipe. She goes over for just just ride for a trainer who has plenty of jockeys at his disposal. Seems significant booking for one reason or another? Getting familiar with the horse ahead of a future ride in a more significant race perhaps?

    BB isn’t the easiest of rides, but Katie rode the horse at Cheltenham last year in the 4 miler and managed a good second. Before that O’Farrell had the ride and twice jumped poorly, although did win one. After Cheltenham Tom Scu took over for the Scottish National and disappointed in 6th. Katie rode it last time in France and put up a career best over Hurdles to be 5th in a Grade 1.

    I believe they’re aiming the horse at the Grand National, I’d want Katie to ride if I were the owners.

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    Great write ups VTC and BigG.

    I can’t work out why Rigadin De Beauchene isn’t at least joint favourite. Brought down last time when still travelling well, time before won in impressive style and has won off higher marks than runs off here. I believe he’s best in a small field where able to get either the lead or a clear view of his fences. There are two other front runners, although can’t see Bishops Road wanting to encourage a fast pace/stamina test (doubtful stayer). Gas Line Boy could mix it, but Rigadin should be able to get a prominent posi’. Loves an out and out stamina test, won this before and as long as what happened last time hasn’t dented his confidence it’ll take a good one to get by. I rate him a fair 4/1.
    Mountainous, I had a good win on him in the Welsh National, but he’s gone up quite a bit for that and this isn’t Chepstow.
    Broadway Buffalo has two ways of running and can hit one or two too, if showing his form has a good chance, but isn’t as likely as some to give his running. Although seems to go well for Katie Walsh.
    Gas Line Boy was going ok when coming to grief last time, but he often travels well before finding nowt and stable haven’t had a winner in yonks.
    Cloudy Too – like Mountainous – has gone up a lot for winning last time, unlike the Welsh National winner isn’t sure to be suited by an out and out stamina test.
    Same thing goes for Bishops Road, in fact even more so. Has potential, but at this trip???
    Minella On Line doesn’t seem to be enjoying his racing at the moment and stable going through another lean spell, so can’t see him returning to form.
    Can see Harry The Viking running well in to a place, trouble is he doesn’t win!

    I’ve backed Rigadin as my only main bet and saved on Mountainous. Interested in Harry The Viking as a saver too, but may be a better place bet than win only.

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